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coffeekingms@hotmail.com
hi all

I'm a registered windows 10 insider, and I just updated to the latest
insider preview build, OS build 15002, and I read that windows is
supposed to come with support for braille displays, using brltty and
liblouis, which any linux users will know is what we use to make braille
displays work, and NVDA uses them as well. This doesn't work yet, but if
this does happen, is NVDA going to still use it's own, probably more up
to date copies or use the built in windows ones? Also, they're enabling
narrator in the recovery environment, which is used to install and
recover, which is nice after, oh, 20 years or so of not doing this. For
now, you have to download the software by clicking a button in the ease
of access settings in the settings app, but I don't know if that's
temporary or not. If it's permanent, then this whole email isn't
relevant and we can all go on withour lives. Anyone know anything?

Thanks

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Re: windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty and liblouis. Comments?

Joseph Lee
Hi,
Liblouis commits has slowed down recently, but that doesn't mean people will
stop contributing to Liblouis. I hope that Narrator can use whatever version
that's best suited to its needs at the moment (I believe 3.0.0). One major
concern is modifying Liblouis source code and not sharing that with upstream
(I hope MS does share modifications if this happens). In effect, Microsoft
is now held accountable like any other screen reader vendors using Liblouis,
including NV Access and VFO.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: [Nvda-devel] windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty
and liblouis. Comments?

hi all

I'm a registered windows 10 insider, and I just updated to the latest
insider preview build, OS build 15002, and I read that windows is supposed
to come with support for braille displays, using brltty and liblouis, which
any linux users will know is what we use to make braille displays work, and
NVDA uses them as well. This doesn't work yet, but if this does happen, is
NVDA going to still use it's own, probably more up to date copies or use the
built in windows ones? Also, they're enabling narrator in the recovery
environment, which is used to install and recover, which is nice after, oh,
20 years or so of not doing this. For now, you have to download the software
by clicking a button in the ease of access settings in the settings app, but
I don't know if that's temporary or not. If it's permanent, then this whole
email isn't relevant and we can all go on withour lives. Anyone know
anything?

Thanks

Kendell Clark



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Re: windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty and liblouis. Comments?

derek riemer

They are required by license to open source their changes. If they didn't, it would be a violation of the license, and someone would enjoy a comfortable court seat, and I don't think Microsoft is evil and would do this.


On 1/11/2017 9:11 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Liblouis commits has slowed down recently, but that doesn't mean people will
stop contributing to Liblouis. I hope that Narrator can use whatever version
that's best suited to its needs at the moment (I believe 3.0.0). One major
concern is modifying Liblouis source code and not sharing that with upstream
(I hope MS does share modifications if this happens). In effect, Microsoft
is now held accountable like any other screen reader vendors using Liblouis,
including NV Access and VFO.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:40 AM
To: NVDA screen reader development [hidden email]
Subject: [Nvda-devel] windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty
and liblouis. Comments?

hi all

I'm a registered windows 10 insider, and I just updated to the latest
insider preview build, OS build 15002, and I read that windows is supposed
to come with support for braille displays, using brltty and liblouis, which
any linux users will know is what we use to make braille displays work, and
NVDA uses them as well. This doesn't work yet, but if this does happen, is
NVDA going to still use it's own, probably more up to date copies or use the
built in windows ones? Also, they're enabling narrator in the recovery
environment, which is used to install and recover, which is nice after, oh,
20 years or so of not doing this. For now, you have to download the software
by clicking a button in the ease of access settings in the settings app, but
I don't know if that's temporary or not. If it's permanent, then this whole
email isn't relevant and we can all go on withour lives. Anyone know
anything?

Thanks

Kendell Clark



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Re: windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty and liblouis. Comments?

John J. Boyer
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There have been lots of commits to liblouis in the last few days. There has also been much discussionj of
back-translation. I think there will be a new release soon.

John

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 08:11:11AM -0800, Joseph Lee wrote:

> Hi,
> Liblouis commits has slowed down recently, but that doesn't mean people will
> stop contributing to Liblouis. I hope that Narrator can use whatever version
> that's best suited to its needs at the moment (I believe 3.0.0). One major
> concern is modifying Liblouis source code and not sharing that with upstream
> (I hope MS does share modifications if this happens). In effect, Microsoft
> is now held accountable like any other screen reader vendors using Liblouis,
> including NV Access and VFO.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:40 AM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Nvda-devel] windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty
> and liblouis. Comments?
>
> hi all
>
> I'm a registered windows 10 insider, and I just updated to the latest
> insider preview build, OS build 15002, and I read that windows is supposed
> to come with support for braille displays, using brltty and liblouis, which
> any linux users will know is what we use to make braille displays work, and
> NVDA uses them as well. This doesn't work yet, but if this does happen, is
> NVDA going to still use it's own, probably more up to date copies or use the
> built in windows ones? Also, they're enabling narrator in the recovery
> environment, which is used to install and recover, which is nice after, oh,
> 20 years or so of not doing this. For now, you have to download the software
> by clicking a button in the ease of access settings in the settings app, but
> I don't know if that's temporary or not. If it's permanent, then this whole
> email isn't relevant and we can all go on withour lives. Anyone know
> anything?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty and liblouis. Comments?

Joseph Lee
Hi,
Ah yes, just saw it in my inbox (sorry about my statement earlier).
I'm more excited to see new tables included in the upcoming version, as it
could allow NVDA, Narrator and others to present braille in more languages.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: John J. Boyer [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 9:59 AM
To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] windows 10 to come with braille support, via
brltty and liblouis. Comments?

There have been lots of commits to liblouis in the last few days. There has
also been much discussionj of back-translation. I think there will be a new
release soon.

John

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 08:11:11AM -0800, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Hi,
> Liblouis commits has slowed down recently, but that doesn't mean
> people will stop contributing to Liblouis. I hope that Narrator can
> use whatever version that's best suited to its needs at the moment (I
> believe 3.0.0). One major concern is modifying Liblouis source code
> and not sharing that with upstream (I hope MS does share modifications
> if this happens). In effect, Microsoft is now held accountable like
> any other screen reader vendors using Liblouis, including NV Access and
VFO.

> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 7:40 AM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [Nvda-devel] windows 10 to come with braille support, via
> brltty and liblouis. Comments?
>
> hi all
>
> I'm a registered windows 10 insider, and I just updated to the latest
> insider preview build, OS build 15002, and I read that windows is
> supposed to come with support for braille displays, using brltty and
> liblouis, which any linux users will know is what we use to make
> braille displays work, and NVDA uses them as well. This doesn't work
> yet, but if this does happen, is NVDA going to still use it's own,
> probably more up to date copies or use the built in windows ones?
> Also, they're enabling narrator in the recovery environment, which is
> used to install and recover, which is nice after, oh,
> 20 years or so of not doing this. For now, you have to download the
> software by clicking a button in the ease of access settings in the
> settings app, but I don't know if that's temporary or not. If it's
> permanent, then this whole email isn't relevant and we can all go on
> withour lives. Anyone know anything?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
>
>
> --
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>
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Re: windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty and liblouis. Comments?

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
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The English lady who is now American in the states who is deaf was
interviewed on coolblind teck just end of November about these things.She
confirmed about making Braile work but no specific details, also some of the
comments lead me to believe that they wanted to add narrator to the system
so it would work much sooner and presumably in the recovery state by
implication. Lots of teasers as usual but not a lot of substance.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 3:40 PM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] windows 10 to come with braille support, via brltty
and liblouis. Comments?


> hi all
>
> I'm a registered windows 10 insider, and I just updated to the latest
> insider preview build, OS build 15002, and I read that windows is
> supposed to come with support for braille displays, using brltty and
> liblouis, which any linux users will know is what we use to make braille
> displays work, and NVDA uses them as well. This doesn't work yet, but if
> this does happen, is NVDA going to still use it's own, probably more up
> to date copies or use the built in windows ones? Also, they're enabling
> narrator in the recovery environment, which is used to install and
> recover, which is nice after, oh, 20 years or so of not doing this. For
> now, you have to download the software by clicking a button in the ease
> of access settings in the settings app, but I don't know if that's
> temporary or not. If it's permanent, then this whole email isn't
> relevant and we can all go on withour lives. Anyone know anything?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
>
>
> --
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>
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