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Re: nvda/next f3206a40: Merge branch 'master' into next

derek riemer

I must ask,

How do you merge master into next if you have squashed commits in master? Wouldn't those committs get recognized by git as differences and pulled into next?


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commit 72cdc1fabc1f1d297260d3bd32a344b671a5f69d

Author: James Teh [hidden email]

Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 16:02:02 +1000

NVDA no longer causes Microsoft Word to crash immediately after it starts in Windows XP.

Static variables defined within functions are broken on Windows XP (Visual Studio bug 1941836), so use a global variable instead.
Fixes #6033.

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commit 17d5196ffdf89fccff89ae5d35b1bef1cb8d81ec

Author: James Teh [hidden email]

Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 16:04:37 +1000

Remove reporting of grammar errors, as this causes crashes in Microsoft Word.

This reverts most of commit 05c1eb7b11ac17ea2f3346ee7a25c9e0bdc36fca.
Fixes #5954. Re #5877.

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commit 52c8828528c7cc6b6069cf71823126ff53cf228a

Author: James Teh [hidden email]

Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 21:13:53 +1000

Merge changes from NVDA 2016.2.1.

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commit a989f5eec78a7c76dce49c30b959f6fe70a30efc

Author: James Teh [hidden email]

Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 21:16:43 +1000

Let's start on NVDA 2016.3.

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commit f3206a40b2dd75dad6ffcc2dfed0ee6f7e4c7cb5

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Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 21:19:54 +1000

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Re: nvda/next f3206a40: Merge branch 'master' into next

James Teh
If you haven't made changes to the files, even though the commits are different, merge sees no differences and doesn't complain. If you change the files in any way during the squash, you'll probably get some conflicts which you must resolve manually.

On 11/06/2016 1:12 AM, derek riemer wrote:

I must ask,

How do you merge master into next if you have squashed commits in master? Wouldn't those committs get recognized by git as differences and pulled into next?


On 6/10/2016 5:20 AM, NV Access Git wrote:

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Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 16:02:02 +1000

NVDA no longer causes Microsoft Word to crash immediately after it starts in Windows XP.

Static variables defined within functions are broken on Windows XP (Visual Studio bug 1941836), so use a global variable instead.
Fixes #6033.

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commit 17d5196ffdf89fccff89ae5d35b1bef1cb8d81ec

Author: James Teh [hidden email]

Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 16:04:37 +1000

Remove reporting of grammar errors, as this causes crashes in Microsoft Word.

This reverts most of commit 05c1eb7b11ac17ea2f3346ee7a25c9e0bdc36fca.
Fixes #5954. Re #5877.

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Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 21:13:53 +1000

Merge changes from NVDA 2016.2.1.

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Date: Fri 10 Jun 2016 21:16:43 +1000

Let's start on NVDA 2016.3.

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NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Mgr. Janusz Chmiel-3
Dear core developers,
Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did You
decide to remove this perfect feature?
Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
perfect feature?
I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work with
grammar bugs.
Thank You very much for Yours answer.
With kindness regards.
Janusz Chmiel


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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

derek riemer

Hi,

It caused microsoft word to crash in random cases.
Thanks.


On 6/11/2016 6:20 AM, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote:
Dear core developers,
Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar 
errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did You 
decide to remove this perfect feature?
Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this 
perfect feature?
I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work with 
grammar bugs.
Thank You very much for Yours answer.
With kindness regards.
Janusz Chmiel


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consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow, 
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

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Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.


You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in the
release page.


Regards,

mk.


El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:

> Dear core developers,
> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did You
> decide to remove this perfect feature?
> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
> perfect feature?
> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work with
> grammar bugs.
> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
> With kindness regards.
> Janusz Chmiel
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic
> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are
> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow,
> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity
> planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

enes sarıbaş
hi,

I don't understand Nvaccess's stubbornness to cling to xp support. Why
should I, a user of a modern operating system, have to forgo a very
useful nvda feature just because it bricked word on an operating system
that is obsolete.


On 6/11/2016 4:31 PM, mk360 wrote:

> Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.
>
>
> You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in the
> release page.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> mk.
>
>
> El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:
>> Dear core developers,
>> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
>> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did You
>> decide to remove this perfect feature?
>> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
>> perfect feature?
>> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
>> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work with
>> grammar bugs.
>> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
>> With kindness regards.
>> Janusz Chmiel
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network bandwidth and traffic
>> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are
>> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow,
>> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity
>> planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nvda-devel mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are
> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow,
> J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make informed decisions using capacity
> planning reports. https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Joseph Lee
Hi,
Hmmm, a very interesting question...
I'd like to kindly ask the following as a response to this: have you thought
about those who have no money to upgrade to latest Windows versions? What
about agencies that rely on older software? NV Access is doing a favor as a
gesture of outreach and embrace. We may as well say NVDA will require
Windows 7 or later, but this cannot be done because there are folks who are
running Windows Vista or Server 2008 (I do have a private lab (branch) where
NVDA drops XP support, but at this time, it isn't ready to make a public
debut).
Cheers,
Josepyh


-----Original Message-----
From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:26 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

hi,

I don't understand Nvaccess's stubbornness to cling to xp support. Why
should I, a user of a modern operating system, have to forgo a very useful
nvda feature just because it bricked word on an operating system that is
obsolete.


On 6/11/2016 4:31 PM, mk360 wrote:

> Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.
>
>
> You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in
> the release page.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> mk.
>
>
> El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:
>> Dear core developers,
>> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
>> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did
>> You decide to remove this perfect feature?
>> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
>> perfect feature?
>> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
>> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work
>> with grammar bugs.
>> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
>> With kindness regards.
>> Janusz Chmiel
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> --------- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network
>> bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which
>> users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides
>> multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make
>> informed decisions using capacity planning reports.
>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nvda-devel mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -------- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network
> bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which
> users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides
> multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make
> informed decisions using capacity planning reports.
> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

derek riemer
Hi,
The grammar errors issue crashes word even on win10. I also want to kindly  suggest that you consider the fact that nvda is changing the lives of people who don't have, and may not ever have the chance to have access to employment without NVdA, and even though you can afford access to a modern operating system, others aren't so fortunate. I feel strongly that the purpose of NV Access is to improve the lives of people around the world, and it is the case that many people who need a screen reader have to use deprecated operating systems.
Over time, when features require new operating systems, and as the user base of people using XP dwindles (stats of the number of people using different systems is obtained with updates to nvda) the decision to drop ancient systems will occur.
Also, NV Access is not adverse to features not in existence in XP. A great example of this is support for audio ducking  and touch screen support, both windows 8.
Thanks

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Please disregard errors as this is a smaller device.

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:36, Joseph Lee <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Hmmm, a very interesting question...
> I'd like to kindly ask the following as a response to this: have you thought
> about those who have no money to upgrade to latest Windows versions? What
> about agencies that rely on older software? NV Access is doing a favor as a
> gesture of outreach and embrace. We may as well say NVDA will require
> Windows 7 or later, but this cannot be done because there are folks who are
> running Windows Vista or Server 2008 (I do have a private lab (branch) where
> NVDA drops XP support, but at this time, it isn't ready to make a public
> debut).
> Cheers,
> Josepyh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:26 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors
>
> hi,
>
> I don't understand Nvaccess's stubbornness to cling to xp support. Why
> should I, a user of a modern operating system, have to forgo a very useful
> nvda feature just because it bricked word on an operating system that is
> obsolete.
>
>
>> On 6/11/2016 4:31 PM, mk360 wrote:
>> Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.
>>
>>
>> You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in
>> the release page.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> mk.
>>
>>
>>> El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:
>>> Dear core developers,
>>> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
>>> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did
>>> You decide to remove this perfect feature?
>>> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
>>> perfect feature?
>>> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
>>> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work
>>> with grammar bugs.
>>> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
>>> With kindness regards.
>>> Janusz Chmiel
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --------- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network
>>> bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which
>>> users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides
>>> multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make
>>> informed decisions using capacity planning reports.
>>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Nvda-devel mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> -------- What NetFlow Analyzer can do for you? Monitors network
>> bandwidth and traffic patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which
>> users, apps, and protocols are consuming the most bandwidth. Provides
>> multi-vendor support for NetFlow, J-Flow, sFlow and other flows. Make
>> informed decisions using capacity planning reports.
>> https://ad.doubleclick.net/ddm/clk/305295220;132659582;e
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nvda-devel mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/nvda-devel
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
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> patterns at an interface-level. Reveals which users, apps, and protocols are
> consuming the most bandwidth. Provides multi-vendor support for NetFlow,
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

enes sarıbaş
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hi,

Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
win10.  Additionally, most people who refuse to upgrade due so from
unwillingness to aford the latest technologies. Furthermore, it could be
argued that this practice is unfair to the majority of computer users  
who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of their hardware and
operating systems.


On 6/11/2016 10:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

> Hi,
> Hmmm, a very interesting question...
> I'd like to kindly ask the following as a response to this: have you thought
> about those who have no money to upgrade to latest Windows versions? What
> about agencies that rely on older software? NV Access is doing a favor as a
> gesture of outreach and embrace. We may as well say NVDA will require
> Windows 7 or later, but this cannot be done because there are folks who are
> running Windows Vista or Server 2008 (I do have a private lab (branch) where
> NVDA drops XP support, but at this time, it isn't ready to make a public
> debut).
> Cheers,
> Josepyh
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:26 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors
>
> hi,
>
> I don't understand Nvaccess's stubbornness to cling to xp support. Why
> should I, a user of a modern operating system, have to forgo a very useful
> nvda feature just because it bricked word on an operating system that is
> obsolete.
>
>
> On 6/11/2016 4:31 PM, mk360 wrote:
>> Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.
>>
>>
>> You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in
>> the release page.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> mk.
>>
>>
>> El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:
>>> Dear core developers,
>>> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
>>> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did
>>> You decide to remove this perfect feature?
>>> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
>>> perfect feature?
>>> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
>>> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work
>>> with grammar bugs.
>>> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
>>> With kindness regards.
>>> Janusz Chmiel
>>>
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Antony Stone
In reply to enes sarıbaş:

Please can you refer to any independent statistics to back up your claim that
"Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
win10"?

Your comment that "most people who refuse to upgrade do so from unwillingness
to afford the latest technologies" is an interesting opinion, but:

a) it is only that - an opinion, and

b) being able to afford something is not always, or only, a matter of
willingness.  It can often be a simple matter of means.

You say that "it could be argued that this practice is unfair to the
majority of computer users who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of
their hardware and operating systems", however please justify the word
"majority" in that comment, and also please remember that NVDA is free
software, developed by a non-profit organisation, for the benefit of the largest
number of computer users possible, not just the lucky, fortunate or affluent few
who have the latest hardware and operating system.


Regards,


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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Michael Curran-3
To be clear, the specific fix to MS Word on XP was not what caused
reporting of grammar errors to be removed. Grammar errors was removed as
it crashed on all Operating Systems.


Thus 2016.2.1 did the following:

* Removed support for reporting grammar errors, as this randomly crashed
MS Word on all Operating System;

* Fixed an unrelated start-up crash in MS Word on XP.


Mick




On 12/06/2016 7:13 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

> In reply to enes sarıbaş:
>
> Please can you refer to any independent statistics to back up your claim that
> "Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
> win10"?
>
> Your comment that "most people who refuse to upgrade do so from unwillingness
> to afford the latest technologies" is an interesting opinion, but:
>
> a) it is only that - an opinion, and
>
> b) being able to afford something is not always, or only, a matter of
> willingness.  It can often be a simple matter of means.
>
> You say that "it could be argued that this practice is unfair to the
> majority of computer users who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of
> their hardware and operating systems", however please justify the word
> "majority" in that comment, and also please remember that NVDA is free
> software, developed by a non-profit organisation, for the benefit of the largest
> number of computer users possible, not just the lucky, fortunate or affluent few
> who have the latest hardware and operating system.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>

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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

enes sarıbaş
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hi,

If you review the system requirements of win10, you will see that most
pcs produced in the last 10-11 years  qualify. Additionally, I believe
that the majority of computer users run pcs produced in the last 5-8
years. I consider this to be fairly modern.


On 6/12/2016 12:13 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

> In reply to enes sarıbaş:
>
> Please can you refer to any independent statistics to back up your claim that
> "Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
> win10"?
>
> Your comment that "most people who refuse to upgrade do so from unwillingness
> to afford the latest technologies" is an interesting opinion, but:
>
> a) it is only that - an opinion, and
>
> b) being able to afford something is not always, or only, a matter of
> willingness.  It can often be a simple matter of means.
>
> You say that "it could be argued that this practice is unfair to the
> majority of computer users who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of
> their hardware and operating systems", however please justify the word
> "majority" in that comment, and also please remember that NVDA is free
> software, developed by a non-profit organisation, for the benefit of the largest
> number of computer users possible, not just the lucky, fortunate or affluent few
> who have the latest hardware and operating system.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>


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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

enes sarıbaş
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hi Michael,

I see now. So the feature had to be removed as it caused problems on all
operating systems. Thanks for clerifying. I apologize for my comments.


On 6/12/2016 12:36 AM, Michael Curran wrote:

> To be clear, the specific fix to MS Word on XP was not what caused
> reporting of grammar errors to be removed. Grammar errors was removed as
> it crashed on all Operating Systems.
>
>
> Thus 2016.2.1 did the following:
>
> * Removed support for reporting grammar errors, as this randomly crashed
> MS Word on all Operating System;
>
> * Fixed an unrelated start-up crash in MS Word on XP.
>
>
> Mick
>
>
>
>
> On 12/06/2016 7:13 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
>> In reply to enes sarıbaş:
>>
>> Please can you refer to any independent statistics to back up your claim that
>> "Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
>> win10"?
>>
>> Your comment that "most people who refuse to upgrade do so from unwillingness
>> to afford the latest technologies" is an interesting opinion, but:
>>
>> a) it is only that - an opinion, and
>>
>> b) being able to afford something is not always, or only, a matter of
>> willingness.  It can often be a simple matter of means.
>>
>> You say that "it could be argued that this practice is unfair to the
>> majority of computer users who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of
>> their hardware and operating systems", however please justify the word
>> "majority" in that comment, and also please remember that NVDA is free
>> software, developed by a non-profit organisation, for the benefit of the largest
>> number of computer users possible, not just the lucky, fortunate or affluent few
>> who have the latest hardware and operating system.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>


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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Mgr. Janusz Chmiel-3
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Dear MR Curan,
You have absolutely right. I respect The attitude and philosophy of NV
Access.
I suggest advanced users to help debug Grammar check algorithms so it
would be incorporated to The next upcoming main release of NVDA. I will
try to look by using Drwadson and other debuggers if C++ NVDAhelper
library algorithms are causing AN issue. I think, that debugging and
patience is The most useful think that we can do for users to include
grammar check function reliable.
I hope, that there are also other developers here which would try to
find The cause of random crashes, because it is not good idea to
overload core developers with this one feature of NVDA. I hope, that
some volunteers are here. And I believe, that if somebody of us will
find reliable change of NVDA grammar reporting feature which will not
cause random crashes NV Access will include this reliable function to
other NVDA release.

But please prepare, that it will not be easy debugging task.

Who would try to debug? Which debugging tools should we use, which
procedures for debugging?


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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
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It was not just in XP actually. the new version seems to have fixed all the
funnies I've seen, as has been said apart from grammar no longer being
supported.

 One might suspect this is a  Windows or Word bug then?
 Brian

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To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors


Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.


You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in the
release page.


Regards,

mk.


El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:

> Dear core developers,
> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did You
> decide to remove this perfect feature?
> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
> perfect feature?
> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work with
> grammar bugs.
> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
> With kindness regards.
> Janusz Chmiel
>
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
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Besides in this particular case. A friend of mine using windows 7, sorry
don't know the update status, and Word 2010, has had crashes and now seems
not to have crashes. I have no idea why, but its obviously something in the
grammar support that was screwing it up.

also, I do not that even here in the UK, many computers in the NHS still run
XP and some vi people use these. they are protected so no problem with
safety, but often they do run drivers for old  devices such as ultrasound
scanners that are not going to write software for  later versions of
windows, they want the health service to buy new hardware, of course they
do!

I am still getting updates from Microsoft on my machines for  xp, although
strictly I'm not supposed to, but that is due to the  deal some companies
have with Microsoft to still provide them. They have been denied to ordinary
owners as they obviously want you to upgrade.

I'll say no more, but I recently noted that Dropbox support for  XP through
the desktop is ending this august. There is no real reason for it other than
no doubt nobody can be bothered to use the work arounds in modern compilers
that also don't support xp.



Brian

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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 8:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors


Hi,
Hmmm, a very interesting question...
I'd like to kindly ask the following as a response to this: have you thought
about those who have no money to upgrade to latest Windows versions? What
about agencies that rely on older software? NV Access is doing a favor as a
gesture of outreach and embrace. We may as well say NVDA will require
Windows 7 or later, but this cannot be done because there are folks who are
running Windows Vista or Server 2008 (I do have a private lab (branch) where
NVDA drops XP support, but at this time, it isn't ready to make a public
debut).
Cheers,
Josepyh


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From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:26 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

hi,

I don't understand Nvaccess's stubbornness to cling to xp support. Why
should I, a user of a modern operating system, have to forgo a very useful
nvda feature just because it bricked word on an operating system that is
obsolete.


On 6/11/2016 4:31 PM, mk360 wrote:

> Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.
>
>
> You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in
> the release page.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> mk.
>
>
> El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:
>> Dear core developers,
>> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
>> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did
>> You decide to remove this perfect feature?
>> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
>> perfect feature?
>> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
>> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work
>> with grammar bugs.
>> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
>> With kindness regards.
>> Janusz Chmiel
>>
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
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Read my last message about the NHS and others please.
 I'm not saying do not support or support xp, just stating what I know.
 In the end there will be a last nvda that works on xp. At thee moment there
are features in nvda that only run in windows 8 or later and in one case
Vista or later, but as long as detection can make things work on the later
systems I have no issue with some features simply not being possible for xp.
In this specific case as has been said in this thread, the problem of
crashes was not just on XP. it may have been seen there initially but its
been confirmed in 7 and 10 to my knowledge thus far, so this argument is not
anything to do with this change.

If you want to debate the pros and cons of supporting older operating
systems. Surely it makes no sense to intentionally break something that
worked just to support an older system, simply detect what you are running
on and only allow features you can support on a given flavour of windows.
Nobody should expect more surely?
 Brian

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Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors


> hi,
>
> Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
> win10.  Additionally, most people who refuse to upgrade due so from
> unwillingness to aford the latest technologies. Furthermore, it could be
> argued that this practice is unfair to the majority of computer users
> who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of their hardware and
> operating systems.
>
>
> On 6/11/2016 10:36 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Hmmm, a very interesting question...
>> I'd like to kindly ask the following as a response to this: have you
>> thought
>> about those who have no money to upgrade to latest Windows versions? What
>> about agencies that rely on older software? NV Access is doing a favor as
>> a
>> gesture of outreach and embrace. We may as well say NVDA will require
>> Windows 7 or later, but this cannot be done because there are folks who
>> are
>> running Windows Vista or Server 2008 (I do have a private lab (branch)
>> where
>> NVDA drops XP support, but at this time, it isn't ready to make a public
>> debut).
>> Cheers,
>> Josepyh
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: enes sarıbaş [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:26 PM
>> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar
>> errors
>>
>> hi,
>>
>> I don't understand Nvaccess's stubbornness to cling to xp support. Why
>> should I, a user of a modern operating system, have to forgo a very
>> useful
>> nvda feature just because it bricked word on an operating system that is
>> obsolete.
>>
>>
>> On 6/11/2016 4:31 PM, mk360 wrote:
>>> Because it caused problems with some versions of word under windows xp.
>>>
>>>
>>> You can see more info and the links to the corresponding tickets in
>>> the release page.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> mk.
>>>
>>>
>>> El 11-06-2016 a las 8:20, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel escribió:
>>>> Dear core developers,
>>>> Can I kindly ask You, what have caused The fact, that report grammar
>>>> errors in Word feature have been removed from NVDA 2016.2.1? Why did
>>>> You decide to remove this perfect feature?
>>>> Does this cause bugs in newest Word? Or somebody did not like this
>>>> perfect feature?
>>>> I Am very sad, that You have decided to remove it from NVDA.
>>>> I know, that Spell checking dialog window contain controls to work
>>>> with grammar bugs.
>>>> Thank You very much for Yours answer.
>>>> With kindness regards.
>>>> Janusz Chmiel
>>>>
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Re: NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors

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I'd like to see people getting less hot under the collar in this thread. The
debate is not applicable to this problem with spell checking from what I can
tell.
 I'm just a little fed up with people making assumptions.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors


> In reply to enes sarıbaş:
>
> Please can you refer to any independent statistics to back up your claim
> that
> "Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
> win10"?
>
> Your comment that "most people who refuse to upgrade do so from
> unwillingness
> to afford the latest technologies" is an interesting opinion, but:
>
> a) it is only that - an opinion, and
>
> b) being able to afford something is not always, or only, a matter of
> willingness.  It can often be a simple matter of means.
>
> You say that "it could be argued that this practice is unfair to the
> majority of computer users who deserve to benefit from the capabilities of
> their hardware and operating systems", however please justify the word
> "majority" in that comment, and also please remember that NVDA is free
> software, developed by a non-profit organisation, for the benefit of the
> largest
> number of computer users possible, not just the lucky, fortunate or
> affluent few
> who have the latest hardware and operating system.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> --
> "I estimate there's a world market for about five computers."
>
> - Thomas J Watson, Chairman of IBM
>
>                                                   Please reply to the
> list;
>                                                         please *don't* CC
> me.
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Well, not from what the RNIB tell me they don't but enough of this
pleeeeeeeese.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA 2016.2.1 do not contain report grammar errors


> hi,
>
> If you review the system requirements of win10, you will see that most
> pcs produced in the last 10-11 years  qualify. Additionally, I believe
> that the majority of computer users run pcs produced in the last 5-8
> years. I consider this to be fairly modern.
>
>
> On 6/12/2016 12:13 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
>> In reply to enes sarıbaş:
>>
>> Please can you refer to any independent statistics to back up your claim
>> that
>> "Most computers purchased in the last 10 years can run or be made to run
>> win10"?
>>
>> Your comment that "most people who refuse to upgrade do so from
>> unwillingness
>> to afford the latest technologies" is an interesting opinion, but:
>>
>> a) it is only that - an opinion, and
>>
>> b) being able to afford something is not always, or only, a matter of
>> willingness.  It can often be a simple matter of means.
>>
>> You say that "it could be argued that this practice is unfair to the
>> majority of computer users who deserve to benefit from the capabilities
>> of
>> their hardware and operating systems", however please justify the word
>> "majority" in that comment, and also please remember that NVDA is free
>> software, developed by a non-profit organisation, for the benefit of the
>> largest
>> number of computer users possible, not just the lucky, fortunate or
>> affluent few
>> who have the latest hardware and operating system.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>
>
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