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[Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

Kevin Cussick
Hello,

I am a bit disappointed to see that this synth probably will not be
added into nvda!

I do understand that it will make nvda a bit bigger but as most people
are now on broadband connections this should not be a problem.

I know there is still a dile up connection or 2 still around But to have
this just rejected out of hand I think it's a shame.

I hope it will go to a vote to see what your users want rather than just
a few people who might just put in what they want.

I sound as tho I am having a go I am not but I do think we should give
the user more  leagle synths to use I don't like festival but I think
this should be added as well as it is open source and yes then the dl
would be getting a bit big but there you are.

We jfw Hal are all big downloads and still people download them and use
them just my opinion I would be interested to see what you think and I
am really not having a go just asking that this be considered.

I think it is a viable option and maybe it would stop some of the users
using other synths eleagly You will always get people who will do that
anyway but anyway I have said enough thanks for listening.


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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

James Teh
There are a number of things to consider:
* If people want the synth, having it as an additional download should
not be a major issue. Even if we don't include it in NVDA, we might make
it easily downloadable from the NVDA site. If everyone has broadband
connections as you suggest, an additional download is even less of an issue.
* This synth supports relatively few of the languages supported by NVDA.
Therefore, including it is biased to those languages. If we start
including synths for other languages as well, the download will become huge.
* If people are using illegal synths, they have to download and install
them already. Therefore, your argument that people will be less likely
to use illegal synths if this is bundled is flawed. If they're already
willing to download the illegal synths, they will also be willing to
download Svox Pico.
* Finally, a final policy decision has not yet been made. This
development is extremely new and response from users is just one aspect
that still needs to be considered. I stated my personal opinion, but I
didn't state the final policy of the project.

Jamie

On 19/05/2010 10:24 AM, Kevin Cussick wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a bit disappointed to see that this synth probably will not be
> added into nvda!
>
> I do understand that it will make nvda a bit bigger but as most people
> are now on broadband connections this should not be a problem.
>
> I know there is still a dile up connection or 2 still around But to have
> this just rejected out of hand I think it's a shame.
>
> I hope it will go to a vote to see what your users want rather than just
> a few people who might just put in what they want.
>
> I sound as tho I am having a go I am not but I do think we should give
> the user more leagle synths to use I don't like festival but I think
> this should be added as well as it is open source and yes then the dl
> would be getting a bit big but there you are.
>
> We jfw Hal are all big downloads and still people download them and use
> them just my opinion I would be interested to see what you think and I
> am really not having a go just asking that this be considered.
>
> I think it is a viable option and maybe it would stop some of the users
> using other synths eleagly You will always get people who will do that
> anyway but anyway I have said enough thanks for listening.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nvda-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev

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NV Access Inc, ABN 61773362390
Email: [hidden email]
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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

johnnybrl
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Yeah, would be cool if they added the new synth into NVDA along with ESpeak.
The file size of the synth is pretty small, just like ESpeak.
So I don't think it would be such a big deal if we added the pico synth with
NVDA along with ESpeak.
I mean, cmon, JFW is about 70 or 80 megs to download.  And if we just added
pico synth to NVDA it might make the size of the download a little bigger,
but it shouldn't be too big to download.
And then, people could hafve the option to select ESpeak or the pico synth
by default.


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From: "Kevin Cussick" <[hidden email]>
To: "News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access),a free and open
source screen reader for Microsoft Windows" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.


> Hello,
>
> I am a bit disappointed to see that this synth probably will not be added
> into nvda!
>
> I do understand that it will make nvda a bit bigger but as most people are
> now on broadband connections this should not be a problem.
>
> I know there is still a dile up connection or 2 still around But to have
> this just rejected out of hand I think it's a shame.
>
> I hope it will go to a vote to see what your users want rather than just a
> few people who might just put in what they want.
>
> I sound as tho I am having a go I am not but I do think we should give the
> user more  leagle synths to use I don't like festival but I think this
> should be added as well as it is open source and yes then the dl would be
> getting a bit big but there you are.
>
> We jfw Hal are all big downloads and still people download them and use
> them just my opinion I would be interested to see what you think and I am
> really not having a go just asking that this be considered.
>
> I think it is a viable option and maybe it would stop some of the users
> using other synths eleagly You will always get people who will do that
> anyway but anyway I have said enough thanks for listening.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nvda-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev 



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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
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My feeling on the subject is there are way more than a couple of dial ups
left out there in some countries that is still all there is, or a flaky
connection via mobile phone.

 My best idea would be an nvda specific extra download which can, in effect
simply install the extra synths. After all, even the paid for Dolphin Hall
has some extra downloads for older voices if people want them.

 A link on the page of downloads is all you really need and of course the
info on how big it is.  Also, it enables those who want to improve the add
on synths to do so independently of nvda.

 brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick" <[hidden email]>
To: "News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access),a free and open
source screen reader for Microsoft Windows" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 1:24 AM
Subject: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.


> Hello,
>
> I am a bit disappointed to see that this synth probably will not be
> added into nvda!
>
> I do understand that it will make nvda a bit bigger but as most people
> are now on broadband connections this should not be a problem.
>
> I know there is still a dile up connection or 2 still around But to have
> this just rejected out of hand I think it's a shame.
>
> I hope it will go to a vote to see what your users want rather than just
> a few people who might just put in what they want.
>
> I sound as tho I am having a go I am not but I do think we should give
> the user more  leagle synths to use I don't like festival but I think
> this should be added as well as it is open source and yes then the dl
> would be getting a bit big but there you are.
>
> We jfw Hal are all big downloads and still people download them and use
> them just my opinion I would be interested to see what you think and I
> am really not having a go just asking that this be considered.
>
> I think it is a viable option and maybe it would stop some of the users
> using other synths eleagly You will always get people who will do that
> anyway but anyway I have said enough thanks for listening.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nvda-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev


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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
In reply to this post by James Teh
Lets lighten up a bit here. The current state of it is not actually fit for
purpose. It needs two or three tweaks as mentioned elsewhere before its even
considerable.
 It needs de muffling, which I think hasbeen done to make it sound better on
portable devices with tiny (pico) speakers
It needs the pausing and phrasing/intonation sorting out
It needs some pronunciations and the letter A in English fixing and a bit of
a speed u, ie less lag. However this could well be the  Python driver  as it
stands doing that.

 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Teh" <[hidden email]>
To: "News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access),a free and open
source screen reader for Microsoft Windows" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 2:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.


> There are a number of things to consider:
> * If people want the synth, having it as an additional download should
> not be a major issue. Even if we don't include it in NVDA, we might make
> it easily downloadable from the NVDA site. If everyone has broadband
> connections as you suggest, an additional download is even less of an
> issue.
> * This synth supports relatively few of the languages supported by NVDA.
> Therefore, including it is biased to those languages. If we start
> including synths for other languages as well, the download will become
> huge.
> * If people are using illegal synths, they have to download and install
> them already. Therefore, your argument that people will be less likely
> to use illegal synths if this is bundled is flawed. If they're already
> willing to download the illegal synths, they will also be willing to
> download Svox Pico.
> * Finally, a final policy decision has not yet been made. This
> development is extremely new and response from users is just one aspect
> that still needs to be considered. I stated my personal opinion, but I
> didn't state the final policy of the project.
>
> Jamie
>
> On 19/05/2010 10:24 AM, Kevin Cussick wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am a bit disappointed to see that this synth probably will not be
>> added into nvda!
>>
>> I do understand that it will make nvda a bit bigger but as most people
>> are now on broadband connections this should not be a problem.
>>
>> I know there is still a dile up connection or 2 still around But to have
>> this just rejected out of hand I think it's a shame.
>>
>> I hope it will go to a vote to see what your users want rather than just
>> a few people who might just put in what they want.
>>
>> I sound as tho I am having a go I am not but I do think we should give
>> the user more leagle synths to use I don't like festival but I think
>> this should be added as well as it is open source and yes then the dl
>> would be getting a bit big but there you are.
>>
>> We jfw Hal are all big downloads and still people download them and use
>> them just my opinion I would be interested to see what you think and I
>> am really not having a go just asking that this be considered.
>>
>> I think it is a viable option and maybe it would stop some of the users
>> using other synths eleagly You will always get people who will do that
>> anyway but anyway I have said enough thanks for listening.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Nvda-dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>
> --
> James Teh
> Vice President
> NV Access Inc, ABN 61773362390
> Email: [hidden email]
> Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nvda-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev


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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

Kevin Cussick
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OK James,

Your points are noted.

I didn't say this was going to be the final disision from you!

I agree with most of your points My point is only that I think that it
would give users the choice to use another voice instead of the robotic
sounding espeak.

I use espeak at full speed so this will give you an idea that I can
listen to high speed synths.

I think this new synthe needs some more work but it does sound quite
human sounding as synths go,  I as said before still say that when new
users start out with espeak the first reaction is what the hell is this
when they first hear it.

I will leave it at that and just say all i think is it's free open
source and besides it making nvda a bigger download I don't see why we
should distribute it with nvda if people don't want it don't use it.  it
goes the same with espeak and any other synthe.
--
All The Best
Kevin Cussick


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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

Simone Dal Maso (mobile)
on my opinion, before speaking about including or not these 6 voices, we
should work in order to develope and improve them.
One time we obtain 6 reasonable good voices, we should speak of including or
not.
On this point, I think that espeak should be the main voice, then during
installation a popup should appear, asking user if he want some additional
voices. If user says yes, the pico download start and NVDA will use it
default.
so, how can we improve voices?
for example, for italian voice there are some strange mistakes in
pronunciation.
should we work with sources and then recompile it for windows?
I really have no idea of this.
thanks!



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Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.

mk360
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    Well, espeak have too many languages than the other synth :P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Cussick" <[hidden email]>
To: "News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access),a free and open
source screen reader for Microsoft Windows" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-dev] The svox synthe being added into nvda.


> OK James,
>
> Your points are noted.
>
> I didn't say this was going to be the final disision from you!
>
> I agree with most of your points My point is only that I think that it
> would give users the choice to use another voice instead of the robotic
> sounding espeak.
>
> I use espeak at full speed so this will give you an idea that I can listen
> to high speed synths.
>
> I think this new synthe needs some more work but it does sound quite human
> sounding as synths go,  I as said before still say that when new users
> start out with espeak the first reaction is what the hell is this when
> they first hear it.
>
> I will leave it at that and just say all i think is it's free open source
> and besides it making nvda a bigger download I don't see why we should
> distribute it with nvda if people don't want it don't use it.  it goes the
> same with espeak and any other synthe.
> --
> All The Best
> Kevin Cussick
>
> _______________________________________________
> Nvda-dev mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev