[NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its way?

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[NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its way?

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one seems
to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some tests on this
and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a shift
tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
Internet Explorer 8.
 Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?

Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
The address seems now to be...
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
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Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its way?

Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one seems
> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?

The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?

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Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
No in fact focus is not even on the page at all in ie 8

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis" <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses
itsway?


> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one
>> seems
>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?
>
> The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?
>
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>
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John Greer
Well, I am not sure if you have heard the news, but many of the Google
Labs projects are being phased out. I am still looking to see if the
Google for the blind is among those to be cut, but I would guess so
since they are cutting back on all of them pretty much across the board.
At the top of the Google Labs page pretty much says it all.
http://www.googlelabs.com/?tags=search

On 8/13/2011 5:47 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:

> No in fact focus is not even on the page at all in ie 8
>
> Brian
>
> [hidden email]
> Brian Gaff's other account.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
> loses itsway?
>
>
>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one
>>> seems
>>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?
>>
>> The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?
>>
>> --
>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev 
>
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John Greer
Also, before all of the, "Oh now, whatever shall we do since accessible
Google is going away" starts. You can still use the original Google
page. For example, many like the Accessible page because there were no
ads. Skipping past the ads on the regular Google search is easy enough.
If you do a search, and your search results page comes up: just press h
for heading until you hear NVDA say, search results. From there you can
either arrow down through the results, or continue to press h to quickly
go down through each of the results listed.
On 8/13/2011 7:00 AM, John Greer wrote:

> Well, I am not sure if you have heard the news, but many of the Google
> Labs projects are being phased out. I am still looking to see if the
> Google for the blind is among those to be cut, but I would guess so
> since they are cutting back on all of them pretty much across the board.
> At the top of the Google Labs page pretty much says it all.
> http://www.googlelabs.com/?tags=search
>
> On 8/13/2011 5:47 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:
>> No in fact focus is not even on the page at all in ie 8
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> [hidden email]
>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>> loses itsway?
>>
>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old
>>>> one seems
>>>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?
>>>
>>> The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev 
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
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Brian's Mail list account BY
I know that. I don't really want this to become a google thread, just
wondered why the screenreaders seem to end up off the page when the new
accessible search page loads. If this is a google problem  then maybe
someone can inform them.
 When I last spoke to google via their accessible  mail list they said they
were going to preserver the page. It seems that though this is the case, its
not working as it used to.
 That was the main thrust of the post.
 One other query though since you brought it up. If somone has no google
account, can they still permanently turn off google instant, or do they have
to do this every time they use the page?

I am a bit out of touch with the overblown main google search page.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Greer" <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search andnvda loses
itsway?


> Also, before all of the, "Oh now, whatever shall we do since accessible
> Google is going away" starts. You can still use the original Google page.
> For example, many like the Accessible page because there were no ads.
> Skipping past the ads on the regular Google search is easy enough. If you
> do a search, and your search results page comes up: just press h for
> heading until you hear NVDA say, search results. From there you can either
> arrow down through the results, or continue to press h to quickly go down
> through each of the results listed.
> On 8/13/2011 7:00 AM, John Greer wrote:
>> Well, I am not sure if you have heard the news, but many of the Google
>> Labs projects are being phased out. I am still looking to see if the
>> Google for the blind is among those to be cut, but I would guess so since
>> they are cutting back on all of them pretty much across the board.
>> At the top of the Google Labs page pretty much says it all.
>> http://www.googlelabs.com/?tags=search
>>
>> On 8/13/2011 5:47 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:
>>> No in fact focus is not even on the page at all in ie 8
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis"
>>> <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:30 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses
>>> itsway?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one
>>>>> seems
>>>>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?
>>>>
>>>> The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>
>>
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John Greer
I am almost never signed into a Google account and Google instant stays
off for me, unless I clear the internet cache, or clear cookies. Even
then I just hit the for screen readers link at the top of the page and
Google instant instantly goes away. But yeah, it would be my guess,
since the Google for the blind page is part of Google Labs and they are
doing away with Google Labs, that the version of Google you are using
will also disappear eventually. But the regular Google page is easy
enough to navigate.
On 8/13/2011 8:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:

> I know that. I don't really want this to become a google thread, just
> wondered why the screenreaders seem to end up off the page when the
> new accessible search page loads. If this is a google problem  then
> maybe someone can inform them.
> When I last spoke to google via their accessible  mail list they said
> they were going to preserver the page. It seems that though this is
> the case, its not working as it used to.
> That was the main thrust of the post.
> One other query though since you brought it up. If somone has no
> google account, can they still permanently turn off google instant, or
> do they have to do this every time they use the page?
>
> I am a bit out of touch with the overblown main google search page.
>
> Brian
>
> [hidden email]
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> [hidden email], putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer"
> <[hidden email]>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search andnvda loses
> itsway?
>
>
>> Also, before all of the, "Oh now, whatever shall we do since
>> accessible Google is going away" starts. You can still use the
>> original Google page. For example, many like the Accessible page
>> because there were no ads. Skipping past the ads on the regular
>> Google search is easy enough. If you do a search, and your search
>> results page comes up: just press h for heading until you hear NVDA
>> say, search results. From there you can either arrow down through the
>> results, or continue to press h to quickly go down through each of
>> the results listed.
>> On 8/13/2011 7:00 AM, John Greer wrote:
>>> Well, I am not sure if you have heard the news, but many of the
>>> Google Labs projects are being phased out. I am still looking to see
>>> if the Google for the blind is among those to be cut, but I would
>>> guess so since they are cutting back on all of them pretty much
>>> across the board.
>>> At the top of the Google Labs page pretty much says it all.
>>> http://www.googlelabs.com/?tags=search
>>>
>>> On 8/13/2011 5:47 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:
>>>> No in fact focus is not even on the page at all in ie 8
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis"
>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:30 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>>>> loses itsway?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old
>>>>>> one seems
>>>>>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?
>>>>>
>>>>> The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>
>>
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John Greer
Another option you have is to change the search provider in IE 8 to
Google, then you can just type what you want to find into the browser,
and a google search results page comes up.
On 8/13/2011 9:25 AM, John Greer wrote:

> I am almost never signed into a Google account and Google instant
> stays off for me, unless I clear the internet cache, or clear cookies.
> Even then I just hit the for screen readers link at the top of the
> page and Google instant instantly goes away. But yeah, it would be my
> guess, since the Google for the blind page is part of Google Labs and
> they are doing away with Google Labs, that the version of Google you
> are using will also disappear eventually. But the regular Google page
> is easy enough to navigate.
> On 8/13/2011 8:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:
>> I know that. I don't really want this to become a google thread, just
>> wondered why the screenreaders seem to end up off the page when the
>> new accessible search page loads. If this is a google problem  then
>> maybe someone can inform them.
>> When I last spoke to google via their accessible  mail list they said
>> they were going to preserver the page. It seems that though this is
>> the case, its not working as it used to.
>> That was the main thrust of the post.
>> One other query though since you brought it up. If somone has no
>> google account, can they still permanently turn off google instant,
>> or do they have to do this every time they use the page?
>>
>> I am a bit out of touch with the overblown main google search page.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> [hidden email]
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> [hidden email], putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer"
>> <[hidden email]>
>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 1:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search andnvda
>> loses itsway?
>>
>>
>>> Also, before all of the, "Oh now, whatever shall we do since
>>> accessible Google is going away" starts. You can still use the
>>> original Google page. For example, many like the Accessible page
>>> because there were no ads. Skipping past the ads on the regular
>>> Google search is easy enough. If you do a search, and your search
>>> results page comes up: just press h for heading until you hear NVDA
>>> say, search results. From there you can either arrow down through
>>> the results, or continue to press h to quickly go down through each
>>> of the results listed.
>>> On 8/13/2011 7:00 AM, John Greer wrote:
>>>> Well, I am not sure if you have heard the news, but many of the
>>>> Google Labs projects are being phased out. I am still looking to
>>>> see if the Google for the blind is among those to be cut, but I
>>>> would guess so since they are cutting back on all of them pretty
>>>> much across the board.
>>>> At the top of the Google Labs page pretty much says it all.
>>>> http://www.googlelabs.com/?tags=search
>>>>
>>>> On 8/13/2011 5:47 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:
>>>>> No in fact focus is not even on the page at all in ie 8
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis"
>>>>> <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 11:30 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>>>>> loses itsway?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
>>>>>> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old
>>>>>>> one seems
>>>>>>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The search field is not autofocused if that's what you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
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Alex H.
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I don't use the Google accessible search, but did just tinker with it.
One thing I noticed is there's no headings like regular google.com Ah well.

Alex

On 8/13/2011 6:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:

> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one
> seems to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some
> tests on this and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you
> need to do a shift tab, and then another shift tab to get to the
> search field. This is in Internet Explorer 8.
> Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
>
> Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
> The address seems now to be...
> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
> [hidden email]
> Brian Gaff's other account.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
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Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
Actually this effect I'm getting is weird. Have a look at this.

IO - speech.speak (19:57:22):

Speaking [u'Windows Internet Explorer']

IO - speech.speak (19:57:24):

Speaking
[u'http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq -
Windows Internet Explorer']

IO - speech.speak (19:57:25):

Speaking [u'Google Custom Search - Google Accessible Search - Windows
Internet Explorer']

IO - speech.speak (19:57:25):

Speaking [u'pane']

DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (19:57:25):

oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 1049420, objectID 1 and childID
0: [Error -2147467259] Unspecified error

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (19:57:50):

Input: kb(desktop):NVDA+f1

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo
(19:57:50):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: None

role: ROLE_PANE

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_FOCUSED

Python object: <NVDAObjects.IAccessible.MSHTML.RootClient object at
0x01DC9550>

Python class mro: (<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.MSHTML.RootClient'>,
<class 'NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible'>, <class
'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class
'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>,
<type 'object'>)

description: None

location: (224, 152, 792, 468)

value: None

appModule: <'appModuleHandler' (appName u'iexplore', process ID 1952) at
address 1dc9810>

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 1049420

windowClassName: u'Internet Explorer_Server'

windowControlID: 0

windowStyle: 1442840576

windowThreadID: 368

windowText: u''

IAccessibleObject: <POINTER(IAccessible) ptr=0x33b8a08 at 3c12580>

IAccessibleChildID: 0

IAccessible event parameters: windowHandle=1049420, objectID=-4, childID=0

IAccessible accRole: ROLE_SYSTEM_CLIENT

IAccessible accState: STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSED, STATE_SYSTEM_FOCUSABLE,
STATE_SYSTEM_VALID (1048580)



Now it looks as if, IE is left to kind of  guess where to focus. Sometimes
you can get to the page with tabs, sometimes its not possible. However,
opening the file menu and closing it instantly brings it up. This, I fancy
is a new case of the no virtual buffers created problem i raised a ticket
for many moons ago now. the question is this. How come this new search page
does this, when the old one did not on the same machines under xp?
 I wonder if we might be able to get some clues from whatever this new
search page is doing?
Its not a big thing but it is annoying when you are used to working in a
certain way. firefox of course works, but does not seem consistent where it
starts reading the page always.

Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex H." <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its
way?


>I don't use the Google accessible search, but did just tinker with it. One
>thing I noticed is there's no headings like regular google.com Ah well.
>
> Alex
>
> On 8/13/2011 6:15 AM, Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs wrote:
>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one
>> seems to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some tests
>> on this and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do
>> a shift tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This
>> is in Internet Explorer 8.
>> Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
>>
>> Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
>> The address seems now to be...
>> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
>> [hidden email]
>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NVDA-dev mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>
>
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Homme, James
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Hi Brian,
Check to see if there is a Google link to turn Instant search off. This might clear up the problem.

Jim

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Subject: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its way?

Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one seems
to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some tests on this
and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a shift
tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
Internet Explorer 8.
 Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?

Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
The address seems now to be...
http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
[hidden email]
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Brian's Mail list account BY
Hi, I've given up with google, and am now using..
http://www.startingpage.com/

Which apart from a few oddities seems better.
 This is going off topic on this list though, so I'm  not going to mention
it.
I'm more intrigued by the  virtual buffer issue trigger actually.

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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its
way?


> Hi Brian,
> Check to see if there is a Google link to turn Instant search off. This
> might clear up the problem.
>
> Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian Gaff
> Lineone downstairs
> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:15 AM
> To: News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access), a free and
> open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows
> Subject: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its
> way?
>
> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one seems
> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some tests on
> this
> and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a shift
> tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
> Internet Explorer 8.
> Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
>
> Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
> The address seems now to be...
> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
> [hidden email]
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johnnybrl
hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible search
feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that we could move
to?
I had my firefox homepage set to
labs.google.com/accessible/advanced_search.html.
 I usually like to use their advance search feature to surph for
information. And one day when I started up firefox, it said that page no
longer exists.----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Gaff lists account" <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses
itsway?


> Hi, I've given up with google, and am now using..
> http://www.startingpage.com/
>
> Which apart from a few oddities seems better.
> This is going off topic on this list though, so I'm  not going to mention
> it.
> I'm more intrigued by the  virtual buffer issue trigger actually.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Homme, James" <[hidden email]>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses
> its way?
>
>
>> Hi Brian,
>> Check to see if there is a Google link to turn Instant search off. This
>> might clear up the problem.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian Gaff
>> Lineone downstairs
>> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:15 AM
>> To: News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access), a free and
>> open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows
>> Subject: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses its
>> way?
>>
>> Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old one
>> seems
>> to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some tests on
>> this
>> and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a shift
>> tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
>> Internet Explorer 8.
>> Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
>>
>> Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
>> The address seems now to be...
>> http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
>> [hidden email]
>> Brian Gaff's other account.
>>
>>
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James Teh
On 18/08/2011 7:16 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible search
> feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that we could
> move to?
I really don't understand the big fuss here. I've never used Google
Accessible Search. The normal Google Search works just fine. The search
results are headings, so you can even use h to jump between them.

Jamie

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mk360
     Sorry, but what is accessible search?...
El 17-08-2011 17:51, James Teh escribió:

> On 18/08/2011 7:16 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
>> hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible search
>> feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that we could
>> move to?
> I really don't understand the big fuss here. I've never used Google
> Accessible Search. The normal Google Search works just fine. The
> search results are headings, so you can even use h to jump between them.
>
> Jamie
>



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Allan
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hmm, same do i. what is the need for the google accessible search when to normal google page is more than enough?


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On 18/08/2011 7:16 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible search
> feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that we could
> move to?
I really don't understand the big fuss here. I've never used Google
Accessible Search. The normal Google Search works just fine. The search
results are headings, so you can even use h to jump between them.

Jamie

--
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Vice President, Developer
NV Access Inc, ABN 61773362390
Email: [hidden email]
Web site: http://www.nvaccess.org/


Jon
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Jon
In reply to this post by johnnybrl
If you dont like the standard google interface, you may want to try:
https://ssl.scroogle.org

Hope that helps.
On Wed 17/08/11,14:16, [hidden email] wrote:

> hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible
> search feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that
> we could move to?
> I had my firefox homepage set to
> labs.google.com/accessible/advanced_search.html.
> I usually like to use their advance search feature to surph for
> information. And one day when I started up firefox, it said that
> page no longer exists.----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff
> lists account" <[hidden email]>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
> loses itsway?
>
>
> >Hi, I've given up with google, and am now using..
> >http://www.startingpage.com/
> >
> >Which apart from a few oddities seems better.
> >This is going off topic on this list though, so I'm  not going to
> >mention it.
> >I'm more intrigued by the  virtual buffer issue trigger actually.
> >
> >Brian
> >
> >
> >
> >This account only receives email from the list. Please direct any
> >personal email to
> >[hidden email]
> >Replies to this address vanish into a hole....
> >Unless Brian Gaff is in the To line display name field.
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James"
> ><[hidden email]>
> >To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> >Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:58 PM
> >Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
> >loses its way?
> >
> >
> >>Hi Brian,
> >>Check to see if there is a Google link to turn Instant search
> >>off. This might clear up the problem.
> >>
> >>Jim
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: [hidden email]
> >>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian
> >>Gaff Lineone downstairs
> >>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:15 AM
> >>To: News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access), a
> >>free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows
> >>Subject: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
> >>loses its way?
> >>
> >>Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old
> >>one seems
> >>to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some
> >>tests on this
> >>and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a shift
> >>tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
> >>Internet Explorer 8.
> >>Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
> >>
> >>Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
> >>The address seems now to be...
> >>http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
> >>[hidden email]
> >>Brian Gaff's other account.
> >>
> >>
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johnnybrl
hi Jon, thank you very much for that website!

I checked the site out and it's a really nice site!
And you don't see any of the clutter that you see when doing searches on
google.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon" <[hidden email]>
To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses
itsway?


> If you dont like the standard google interface, you may want to try:
> https://ssl.scroogle.org
>
> Hope that helps.
> On Wed 17/08/11,14:16, [hidden email] wrote:
>> hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible
>> search feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that
>> we could move to?
>> I had my firefox homepage set to
>> labs.google.com/accessible/advanced_search.html.
>> I usually like to use their advance search feature to surph for
>> information. And one day when I started up firefox, it said that
>> page no longer exists.----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff
>> lists account" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>> loses itsway?
>>
>>
>> >Hi, I've given up with google, and am now using..
>> >http://www.startingpage.com/
>> >
>> >Which apart from a few oddities seems better.
>> >This is going off topic on this list though, so I'm  not going to
>> >mention it.
>> >I'm more intrigued by the  virtual buffer issue trigger actually.
>> >
>> >Brian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >This account only receives email from the list. Please direct any
>> >personal email to
>> >[hidden email]
>> >Replies to this address vanish into a hole....
>> >Unless Brian Gaff is in the To line display name field.
>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James"
>> ><[hidden email]>
>> >To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>> >Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:58 PM
>> >Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>> >loses its way?
>> >
>> >
>> >>Hi Brian,
>> >>Check to see if there is a Google link to turn Instant search
>> >>off. This might clear up the problem.
>> >>
>> >>Jim
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: [hidden email]
>> >>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian
>> >>Gaff Lineone downstairs
>> >>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:15 AM
>> >>To: News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access), a
>> >>free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows
>> >>Subject: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>> >>loses its way?
>> >>
>> >>Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old
>> >>one seems
>> >>to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some
>> >>tests on this
>> >>and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a
>> >>shift
>> >>tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
>> >>Internet Explorer 8.
>> >>Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
>> >>
>> >>Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
>> >>The address seems now to be...
>> >>http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
>> >>[hidden email]
>> >>Brian Gaff's other account.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>_______________________________________________
>> >>NVDA-dev mailing list
>> >>[hidden email]
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>> >>
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>> >>intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they
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Google got in touch and have in fact fixed the main issue with the page, but
there is still the issue that the edit field is not the primary focus any
more. this they say, is due to the way custom search operates, on which the
new accessible search is based. I did point out about if it was not broken
why fix it but I suspect ehey had  the decree to do so from a higher plane..
grin.
 Yes, these  third party front ends, like startingpage and the one mentioned
do seem a lot better.

 Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 6:29 AM
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losesitsway?


> hi Jon, thank you very much for that website!
>
> I checked the site out and it's a really nice site!
> And you don't see any of the clutter that you see when doing searches on
> google.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon" <[hidden email]>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda loses
> itsway?
>
>
>> If you dont like the standard google interface, you may want to try:
>> https://ssl.scroogle.org
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>> On Wed 17/08/11,14:16, [hidden email] wrote:
>>> hi, I also have noticed that google has changed their accessible
>>> search feature. Does Anyone no of another better search engine that
>>> we could move to?
>>> I had my firefox homepage set to
>>> labs.google.com/accessible/advanced_search.html.
>>> I usually like to use their advance search feature to surph for
>>> information. And one day when I started up firefox, it said that
>>> page no longer exists.----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Gaff
>>> lists account" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:57 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>>> loses itsway?
>>>
>>>
>>> >Hi, I've given up with google, and am now using..
>>> >http://www.startingpage.com/
>>> >
>>> >Which apart from a few oddities seems better.
>>> >This is going off topic on this list though, so I'm  not going to
>>> >mention it.
>>> >I'm more intrigued by the  virtual buffer issue trigger actually.
>>> >
>>> >Brian
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >This account only receives email from the list. Please direct any
>>> >personal email to
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>>> >Replies to this address vanish into a hole....
>>> >Unless Brian Gaff is in the To line display name field.
>>> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James"
>>> ><[hidden email]>
>>> >To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>> >Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:58 PM
>>> >Subject: Re: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>>> >loses its way?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>Hi Brian,
>>> >>Check to see if there is a Google link to turn Instant search
>>> >>off. This might clear up the problem.
>>> >>
>>> >>Jim
>>> >>
>>> >>-----Original Message-----
>>> >>From: [hidden email]
>>> >>[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Brian
>>> >>Gaff Lineone downstairs
>>> >>Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:15 AM
>>> >>To: News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access), a
>>> >>free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows
>>> >>Subject: [NVDA-dev] Google changes accessible search and nvda
>>> >>loses its way?
>>> >>
>>> >>Can anyone here tell me why the new page redirected from the old
>>> >>one seems
>>> >>to have not got focus when it loads with nvda now? I did some
>>> >>tests on this
>>> >>and it seems that to get back to the  actual page you need to do a
>>> >>shift
>>> >>tab, and then another shift tab to get to the search field. This is in
>>> >>Internet Explorer 8.
>>> >>Is this a problem in nvda, or have Google screwed something up?
>>> >>
>>> >>Unfortunately all my machines have this as their home page... sigh.
>>> >>The address seems now to be...
>>> >>http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=000183394137052953072%3Azc1orsc6mbq
>>> >>[hidden email]
>>> >>Brian Gaff's other account.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>_______________________________________________
>>> >>NVDA-dev mailing list
>>> >>[hidden email]
>>> >>http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev
>>> >>
>>> >>This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are
>>> >>intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they
>>> >>are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please
>>> >>notify the sender immediately and then delete it.  If you are
>>> >>not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose,
>>> >>copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior
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