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NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Joseph Lee

Hi fellow developers,

First, I apologize if I should have waited for announcements from NV Access regarding Windows 10…

Second, as a Windows Insider and one of the contributors to NVDA screen reader project, I can confirm that NVDA is indeed compatible with Windows 10 with caveats. For many users, please hold off until NVDA 2015.3 is released before upgrading to Windows 10.

Here’s what to expect for each snapshot branch users:

·         For official build users: You should wait until NVDA 2015.3 is released. Please wait for official confirmation from Mick and Jamie.

·         For developers using master snapshots: NVDA reads Start search results, announces Action Center toast notifications and has slightly easier time with switching apps (I found out last night that NVDA supports Snap Assist).

·         For those using next snapshots: in addition to master snapshots, NVDA includes basic support for Edge browser (ask Mick for more details), as well as controls based on edge (including slightly better support for Cortana).

I’d like to take this time to request assistance with continued Windows 10 support, especially for fellow developers who’ll remain as Windows Insiders with me and others:

As Windows 10 will use continuous updating and thanks to Windows Insider program, it is now possible for some of us to code support for updated features before it goes out to the general public. Please help us Insiders by helping us test new features and write support for them in order to reduce burden for users when they upgrade to newer builds. Thank you.

For those waiting for official confirmation, please wait for an official announcement from NV Access regarding Windows 10 support. Thanks, and have a nice rest of the week (and a smooth upgrade experience for those upgrading this week).

Cheers,

Joseph


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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

James Teh
We'll release an official announcement shortly. Despite the fact that many things do work, we're actually recommending that most users do *not* upgrade, as right now, they have to use snapshots. Even once NVDA 2015.3 is released, there are still major problems, most notably with Edge (including modern apps). There's also a major bug in the Windows 10 install process that means a blind user often can't do the upgrade without sighted assistance and this is not yet fixed.

Jamie

On 29/07/2015 3:34 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi fellow developers,

First, I apologize if I should have waited for announcements from NV Access regarding Windows 10…

Second, as a Windows Insider and one of the contributors to NVDA screen reader project, I can confirm that NVDA is indeed compatible with Windows 10 with caveats. For many users, please hold off until NVDA 2015.3 is released before upgrading to Windows 10.

Here’s what to expect for each snapshot branch users:

·         For official build users: You should wait until NVDA 2015.3 is released. Please wait for official confirmation from Mick and Jamie.

·         For developers using master snapshots: NVDA reads Start search results, announces Action Center toast notifications and has slightly easier time with switching apps (I found out last night that NVDA supports Snap Assist).

·         For those using next snapshots: in addition to master snapshots, NVDA includes basic support for Edge browser (ask Mick for more details), as well as controls based on edge (including slightly better support for Cortana).

I’d like to take this time to request assistance with continued Windows 10 support, especially for fellow developers who’ll remain as Windows Insiders with me and others:

As Windows 10 will use continuous updating and thanks to Windows Insider program, it is now possible for some of us to code support for updated features before it goes out to the general public. Please help us Insiders by helping us test new features and write support for them in order to reduce burden for users when they upgrade to newer builds. Thank you.

For those waiting for official confirmation, please wait for an official announcement from NV Access regarding Windows 10 support. Thanks, and have a nice rest of the week (and a smooth upgrade experience for those upgrading this week).

Cheers,

Joseph



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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

mk360
Hi,

El 28/07/2015 a las 19:02, James Teh escribió:
(...)
> There's also a major bug in the Windows 10 install process that means
> a blind user often can't do the upgrade without sighted assistance and
> this is not yet fixed.
>
That include upgrading with narrator?

Regards,
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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

James Teh
On 29/07/2015 8:48 AM, mk360 wrote:
>> There's also a major bug in the Windows 10 install process that means
>> a blind user often can't do the upgrade without sighted assistance and
>> this is not yet fixed.
>>
> That include upgrading with narrator?
Yes.

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Joseph Lee
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Hi,
Last time I did it (from an Insider build to the RTM), I was able to use
Narrator to complete the install without any sighted help. The issue Jamie
refers to occurs when you are asked to sign into Microsoft Account and it
isn't quite easy to log in for the first time.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 3:49 PM
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with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Hi,

El 28/07/2015 a las 19:02, James Teh escribió:
(...)
> There's also a major bug in the Windows 10 install process that means
> a blind user often can't do the upgrade without sighted assistance and
> this is not yet fixed.
>
That include upgrading with narrator?

Regards,
mk.

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

James Teh
On 29/07/2015 8:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Last time I did it (from an Insider build to the RTM), I was able to use
> Narrator to complete the install without any sighted help. The issue Jamie
> refers to occurs when you are asked to sign into Microsoft Account and it
> isn't quite easy to log in for the first time.
 From what I could see, it's *impossible* to log in with Narrator. If
you have already signed into a Windows account before the upgrade, you
will be okay, but many users probably haven't done that for Win8 and no
one will have done it for Win7.

Jamie

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Joseph Lee
Hi,
A possible workaround could be to use a local account, then once signed in,
switch to Microsoft Account, but that also poses problems for official build
users.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 4:01 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible
with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

On 29/07/2015 8:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Last time I did it (from an Insider build to the RTM), I was able to
> use Narrator to complete the install without any sighted help. The
> issue Jamie refers to occurs when you are asked to sign into Microsoft
> Account and it isn't quite easy to log in for the first time.
 From what I could see, it's *impossible* to log in with Narrator. If you
have already signed into a Windows account before the upgrade, you will be
okay, but many users probably haven't done that for Win8 and no one will
have done it for Win7.

Jamie

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Robert Spangler
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Is signing into a Microsoft account necessary?  Can one just wait until
after the installation and do it with NVDA?


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On 29/07/2015 8:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
> Last time I did it (from an Insider build to the RTM), I was able to
> use Narrator to complete the install without any sighted help. The
> issue Jamie refers to occurs when you are asked to sign into Microsoft
> Account and it isn't quite easy to log in for the first time.
 From what I could see, it's *impossible* to log in with Narrator. If you
have already signed into a Windows account before the upgrade, you will be
okay, but many users probably haven't done that for Win8 and no one will
have done it for Win7.

Jamie

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

John Isige
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10 forces you to do an MS account now? Any articles on exactly what that
does? I didn't do it for 8.1 because I'm quite happy with the local user
functionality and don't need MS having access to whatever they
undoubtedly want access to by making you use an account. Since I could
do a normal user on 8.1 I never bothered looking at what the account
thing is supposed to do.

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Joseph Lee
Hi John,
You can create a local account. I'll experiment with one machine tonight and
see if I can switch to a Microsoft Account right after signing into my local
account. If this works, then this could be a possible workaround.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:06 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible
with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

10 forces you to do an MS account now? Any articles on exactly what that
does? I didn't do it for 8.1 because I'm quite happy with the local user
functionality and don't need MS having access to whatever they undoubtedly
want access to by making you use an account. Since I could do a normal user
on 8.1 I never bothered looking at what the account thing is supposed to do.

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Tamas Geczy
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A signing in process for the Windows store account is not required.
To skip it, click on create a new account. On the sign-up screen for a new account, you will see a skip link at the very bottom.

> On Jul 28, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Robert Spangler <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Is signing into a Microsoft account necessary?  Can one just wait until
> after the installation and do it with NVDA?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Teh [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 7:01 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible
> with caveats (unofficial confirmation)
>
>> On 29/07/2015 8:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>> Last time I did it (from an Insider build to the RTM), I was able to
>> use Narrator to complete the install without any sighted help. The
>> issue Jamie refers to occurs when you are asked to sign into Microsoft
>> Account and it isn't quite easy to log in for the first time.
> From what I could see, it's *impossible* to log in with Narrator. If you
> have already signed into a Windows account before the upgrade, you will be
> okay, but many users probably haven't done that for Win8 and no one will
> have done it for Win7.
>
> Jamie
>
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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Mohamed
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I have a local account on my windows 8.1 laptop, will it still be usable
with windows 10?

On 07/28/15 08:22 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

> Hi John,
> You can create a local account. I'll experiment with one machine tonight and
> see if I can switch to a Microsoft Account right after signing into my local
> account. If this works, then this could be a possible workaround.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Schucker [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible
> with caveats (unofficial confirmation)
>
> 10 forces you to do an MS account now? Any articles on exactly what that
> does? I didn't do it for 8.1 because I'm quite happy with the local user
> functionality and don't need MS having access to whatever they undoubtedly
> want access to by making you use an account. Since I could do a normal user
> on 8.1 I never bothered looking at what the account thing is supposed to do.
>
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John Isige
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Yeah my fiance found an article, see:

https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/4260/windows-10-drops-reliance-on-microsoft-account

So I'll probably just install with the local account, hopefully that
means it keeps my existing local account from 8.1, and ignore signing up
for an MS account unless it's necessary, since nobody really seems to
have much of an idea of what it actually does.

On 7/28/2015 19:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

> Hi John,
> You can create a local account. I'll experiment with one machine tonight and
> see if I can switch to a Microsoft Account right after signing into my local
> account. If this works, then this could be a possible workaround.
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Schucker [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 5:06 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible
> with caveats (unofficial confirmation)
>
> 10 forces you to do an MS account now? Any articles on exactly what that
> does? I didn't do it for 8.1 because I'm quite happy with the local user
> functionality and don't need MS having access to whatever they undoubtedly
> want access to by making you use an account. Since I could do a normal user
> on 8.1 I never bothered looking at what the account thing is supposed to do.
>
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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

James Teh
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On 29/07/2015 10:00 AM, Robert Spangler wrote:
> Is signing into a Microsoft account necessary?  Can one just wait until
> after the installation and do it with NVDA?
You can skip it, but last time I checked, even the skip button was not
focusable or actionable. I'm going to run an upgrade from Windows 7
shortly to check this with the final build.

Jamie

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Re: NVDA and Windows 10 compatibility: yes, compatible with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

Brendon Charles Donohue
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Hello,
See the below article about Windows MS ID:
http://www.7tutorials.com/simple-questions-what-windows-live-id

This should explain a lot!
Thank you and kind regards,
Brendon Donohue.

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with caveats (unofficial confirmation)

10 forces you to do an MS account now? Any articles on exactly what that
does? I didn't do it for 8.1 because I'm quite happy with the local user
functionality and don't need MS having access to whatever they
undoubtedly want access to by making you use an account. Since I could
do a normal user on 8.1 I never bothered looking at what the account
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