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Bhavya shah
Dear all,
With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
duplication.
Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
would completely understand if this transition is something that just
isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
its job just fine too.
Thanks.

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James Teh
Hi.
  1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the "Edge" label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac, we found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can sometimes be more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search using labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example, you can do queries like:
    label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
    to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
  2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.
Jamie

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
Dear all,
With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
duplication.
Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
would completely understand if this transition is something that just
isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
its job just fine too.
Thanks.

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Bhavya Shah

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Hi.

   1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For
   example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the
"Edge"
   label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac, we
   found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can sometimes
be
   more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search using
   labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example, you
   can do queries like:
   label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
   to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
   2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this
   list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any
   trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice
   accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see
   http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always
   somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.

Jamie

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Dear all,
> With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
> part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
> usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
> be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
> documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
> typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
> work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
> which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
> ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
> potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
> simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
> duplication.
> Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
> was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
> to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
> web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
> inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
> would completely understand if this transition is something that just
> isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
> its job just fine too.
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
>
> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>
> Contacting Me
> E-mail Address: [hidden email]
> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Bhavya shah
Hi Jamie,
Agreed about the list transfer inconveniences.
I take it that there is no Math label applied currently. Would you be
willing to apply the same in case one provides you a list of Math
related tickets?
Thanks.

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> From: "James Teh" <[hidden email]>
> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Categorizing Github Issues and Moving NVDA-Devel
> to Groups.io
>
>
> Hi.
>
>    1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For
>    example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the
> "Edge"
>    label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac, we
>    found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can sometimes
> be
>    more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search using
>    labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example, you
>    can do queries like:
>    label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
>    to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
>    2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this
>    list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any
>    trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice
>    accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see
>    http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always
>    somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.
>
> Jamie
>
> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>> With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
>> part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
>> usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
>> be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
>> documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
>> typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
>> work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
>> which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
>> ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
>> potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
>> simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
>> duplication.
>> Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
>> was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
>> to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
>> web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
>> inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
>> would completely understand if this transition is something that just
>> isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
>> its job just fine too.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards
>> Bhavya Shah
>>
>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>
>> Contacting Me
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>> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
>> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Having a math label sounds reasonable enough. You should be aware, though, that most math related issues are probably related to MathPlayer and there's nothing we can do to make changes there. Any issues that must be addressed in MathPlayer would be closed as cantfix with a request to report them to Design Science.

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> On 8 Jun 2017, at 6:41 pm, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jamie,
> Agreed about the list transfer inconveniences.
> I take it that there is no Math label applied currently. Would you be
> willing to apply the same in case one provides you a list of Math
> related tickets?
> Thanks.
>
>> On 6/8/17, Brian's Mail list account BY <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I find this list fine just now.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> [hidden email]
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>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "James Teh" <[hidden email]>
>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Categorizing Github Issues and Moving NVDA-Devel
>> to Groups.io
>>
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>>   1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For
>>   example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the
>> "Edge"
>>   label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac, we
>>   found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can sometimes
>> be
>>   more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search using
>>   labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example, you
>>   can do queries like:
>>   label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
>>   to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
>>   2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this
>>   list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any
>>   trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice
>>   accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see
>>   http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always
>>   somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear all,
>>> With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
>>> part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
>>> usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
>>> be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
>>> documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
>>> typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
>>> work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
>>> which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
>>> ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
>>> potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
>>> simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
>>> duplication.
>>> Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
>>> was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
>>> to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
>>> web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
>>> inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
>>> would completely understand if this transition is something that just
>>> isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
>>> its job just fine too.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards
>>> Bhavya Shah
>>>
>>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> Contacting Me
>>> E-mail Address: [hidden email]
>>> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
>>> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Bhavya shah
Hi Jamie,
In most cases, yes. But one thing I am currently thinking about is
enabling NVDA to use review cursor commands within mathematical
content, so as to repeat the current line, spell a certain word, etc.
via NVDA facilities which are relatively more convenient than
navigating with the confusing auto-zoom navigation mechanism laid by
Math Player. I think facilitating NVDA review commands in Math is
something to be discussed on the NVDA side as opposed to Math
Player's.
Thanks.

On 6/8/17, James Teh <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Having a math label sounds reasonable enough. You should be aware, though,
> that most math related issues are probably related to MathPlayer and there's
> nothing we can do to make changes there. Any issues that must be addressed
> in MathPlayer would be closed as cantfix with a request to report them to
> Design Science.
>
> Sent from a mobile device
>
>> On 8 Jun 2017, at 6:41 pm, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jamie,
>> Agreed about the list transfer inconveniences.
>> I take it that there is no Math label applied currently. Would you be
>> willing to apply the same in case one provides you a list of Math
>> related tickets?
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> On 6/8/17, Brian's Mail list account BY <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I find this list fine just now.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>>> [hidden email], putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "James Teh" <[hidden email]>
>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Categorizing Github Issues and Moving
>>> NVDA-Devel
>>> to Groups.io
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi.
>>>
>>>   1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For
>>>   example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the
>>> "Edge"
>>>   label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac,
>>> we
>>>   found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can sometimes
>>> be
>>>   more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search
>>> using
>>>   labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example,
>>> you
>>>   can do queries like:
>>>   label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
>>>   to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
>>>   2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this
>>>   list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any
>>>   trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice
>>>   accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see
>>>   http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always
>>>   somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.
>>>
>>> Jamie
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
>>>> part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
>>>> usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
>>>> be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
>>>> documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
>>>> typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
>>>> work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
>>>> which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
>>>> ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
>>>> potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
>>>> simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
>>>> duplication.
>>>> Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
>>>> was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
>>>> to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
>>>> web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
>>>> inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
>>>> would completely understand if this transition is something that just
>>>> isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
>>>> its job just fine too.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Bhavya Shah
>>>>
>>>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> Contacting Me
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>>>> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
>>>> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Re: Categorizing Github Issues and Moving NVDA-Devel to Groups.io

James Teh
1. You can disable auto zoom so navigation is strictly hierarchical via a setting in the MathPlayer control panel.
2. You could also switch to MathPlayer's character navigation mode. I think you switch modes with shift+up/down, but not certain off the top of my head.
3. We can't do textual review in math. The output from MathPlayer is intended for consumption by a speech synthesiser. That means there are pause commands, phonetic pronunciation commands, etc. You can't represent it as raw text. Even if you could, it wouldn't necessarily make sense. For example, it doesn't make sense to have the word "over" in a fraction get spelled out character by character; that'd be like having NVDA spell out "comma" when moving through text.


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> On 8 Jun 2017, at 7:00 pm, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Hi Jamie,
> In most cases, yes. But one thing I am currently thinking about is
> enabling NVDA to use review cursor commands within mathematical
> content, so as to repeat the current line, spell a certain word, etc.
> via NVDA facilities which are relatively more convenient than
> navigating with the confusing auto-zoom navigation mechanism laid by
> Math Player. I think facilitating NVDA review commands in Math is
> something to be discussed on the NVDA side as opposed to Math
> Player's.
> Thanks.
>
>> On 6/8/17, James Teh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Having a math label sounds reasonable enough. You should be aware, though,
>> that most math related issues are probably related to MathPlayer and there's
>> nothing we can do to make changes there. Any issues that must be addressed
>> in MathPlayer would be closed as cantfix with a request to report them to
>> Design Science.
>>
>> Sent from a mobile device
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>>> On 8 Jun 2017, at 6:41 pm, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jamie,
>>> Agreed about the list transfer inconveniences.
>>> I take it that there is no Math label applied currently. Would you be
>>> willing to apply the same in case one provides you a list of Math
>>> related tickets?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>> On 6/8/17, Brian's Mail list account BY <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> I find this list fine just now.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> [hidden email]
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>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "James Teh" <[hidden email]>
>>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:04 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Categorizing Github Issues and Moving
>>>> NVDA-Devel
>>>> to Groups.io
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>>
>>>>  1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For
>>>>  example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the
>>>> "Edge"
>>>>  label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac,
>>>> we
>>>>  found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can sometimes
>>>> be
>>>>  more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search
>>>> using
>>>>  labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example,
>>>> you
>>>>  can do queries like:
>>>>  label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
>>>>  to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
>>>>  2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this
>>>>  list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any
>>>>  trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice
>>>>  accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see
>>>>  http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always
>>>>  somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.
>>>>
>>>> Jamie
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
>>>>> part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
>>>>> usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
>>>>> be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
>>>>> documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
>>>>> typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
>>>>> work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
>>>>> which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
>>>>> ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
>>>>> potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
>>>>> simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
>>>>> duplication.
>>>>> Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
>>>>> was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
>>>>> to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
>>>>> web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
>>>>> inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
>>>>> would completely understand if this transition is something that just
>>>>> isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
>>>>> its job just fine too.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>> Bhavya Shah
>>>>>
>>>>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Contacting Me
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>>>>> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
>>>>> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
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Re: Categorizing Github Issues and Moving NVDA-Devel to Groups.io

Bhavya shah
Hi Jamie,
Re 1 and 2, I honestly wasn't aware of those two features. Thanks so
much for the information.
Re 3, to give you a little background for this request, I am getting
constantly confused between cos theta and cot theta, particularly when
both or even one are/is being used in a long Math chunk, where
arrowing to the same and then going within it is somewhat
inefficient/cumbersome. Reviewing that via object review commands
would smoothen the experience.
Thanks.

On 6/8/17, James Teh <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 1. You can disable auto zoom so navigation is strictly hierarchical via a
> setting in the MathPlayer control panel.
> 2. You could also switch to MathPlayer's character navigation mode. I think
> you switch modes with shift+up/down, but not certain off the top of my head.
> 3. We can't do textual review in math. The output from MathPlayer is
> intended for consumption by a speech synthesiser. That means there are pause
> commands, phonetic pronunciation commands, etc. You can't represent it as
> raw text. Even if you could, it wouldn't necessarily make sense. For
> example, it doesn't make sense to have the word "over" in a fraction get
> spelled out character by character; that'd be like having NVDA spell out
> "comma" when moving through text.
>
>
> Sent from a mobile device
>
>> On 8 Jun 2017, at 7:00 pm, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jamie,
>> In most cases, yes. But one thing I am currently thinking about is
>> enabling NVDA to use review cursor commands within mathematical
>> content, so as to repeat the current line, spell a certain word, etc.
>> via NVDA facilities which are relatively more convenient than
>> navigating with the confusing auto-zoom navigation mechanism laid by
>> Math Player. I think facilitating NVDA review commands in Math is
>> something to be discussed on the NVDA side as opposed to Math
>> Player's.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>> On 6/8/17, James Teh <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Having a math label sounds reasonable enough. You should be aware,
>>> though,
>>> that most math related issues are probably related to MathPlayer and
>>> there's
>>> nothing we can do to make changes there. Any issues that must be
>>> addressed
>>> in MathPlayer would be closed as cantfix with a request to report them to
>>> Design Science.
>>>
>>> Sent from a mobile device
>>>
>>>> On 8 Jun 2017, at 6:41 pm, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jamie,
>>>> Agreed about the list transfer inconveniences.
>>>> I take it that there is no Math label applied currently. Would you be
>>>> willing to apply the same in case one provides you a list of Math
>>>> related tickets?
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/8/17, Brian's Mail list account BY <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I find this list fine just now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>>> [hidden email], putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>>> in the display name field.
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Teh" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> To: "NVDA screen reader development" <[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2017 8:04 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Categorizing Github Issues and Moving
>>>>> NVDA-Devel
>>>>> to Groups.io
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>>  1. On GitHub, categorisation of issues is done using labels. For
>>>>>  example, Chrome issues have the "Chrome" label, Edge issues have the
>>>>> "Edge"
>>>>>  label, etc. It's not possible for users to set this, but even on Trac,
>>>>> we
>>>>>  found users tended to set the fields incorrectly, so this can
>>>>> sometimes
>>>>> be
>>>>>  more of a hinderance than a help. Note that users can still search
>>>>> using
>>>>>  labels. See the GitHub documentation for details, but as an example,
>>>>> you
>>>>>  can do queries like:
>>>>>  label:chrome is:open -label:blocked
>>>>>  to find all open issues regarding Chrome that are not blocked.
>>>>>  2. While it would offer consistency, I think the effort in moving this
>>>>>  list to groups.io isn't worthwhile at this stage. We haven't had any
>>>>>  trouble with this SourceForge list and we alrady have a very nice
>>>>>  accessible threaded archive on Nabble; see
>>>>>  http://nabble.nvda-project.org/. Transferring archives, etc. is always
>>>>>  somewhat of a nuisance for everyone involved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Bhavya shah <[hidden email]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> With my recently increasing interactions with mathematical content as
>>>>>> part of school academics, I have spotted or identified ways in which
>>>>>> usability, readability and accessibility of mathematical content could
>>>>>> be enhanced. However, some of these ideas or flaws have already been
>>>>>> documented on the Github issue tracker by myself and others. While
>>>>>> typing ‘Math’ to search NVDA’s Github issue tracker could be a
>>>>>> work-around, an extremely useful feature of the older Track system
>>>>>> which I would like to request to be ported over to Github is the
>>>>>> ability to categorize issues into broad areas, one of which could
>>>>>> potentially be Math. Such categorical assorting of issues could
>>>>>> simplify the process of combing the tracker and help users avoid
>>>>>> duplication.
>>>>>> Apart from this, given that NVDA is no longer hosted by SourceForge, I
>>>>>> was just wondering if there was any particular hurdle in moving over
>>>>>> to Groups.io. Groups.io certainly has upsides such as an accessible
>>>>>> web interface, a simpler way of joining as a member, as well as
>>>>>> inviting members, and is also the host of the NVDA Users e-group. I
>>>>>> would completely understand if this transition is something that just
>>>>>> isn’t worth the time or effort, because this SourceForge list does do
>>>>>> its job just fine too.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>> Bhavya Shah
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
>>>>>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Contacting Me
>>>>>> E-mail Address: [hidden email]
>>>>>> Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125
>>>>>> Mobile Number: +91 7506221750
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Bhavya Shah
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Contacting Me
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