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Greg Hosler

Greetings,

 

After making initial inquiries at the NVDA end users forum regarding accessibility problems that I am having with this type of project:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour.html, I received feedback from one individual who stated the when viewed in Chrome, NVDA would announce the names / captions of scene thumbnails contained in a thumbnail panel on the page.  It was unclear from this feedback whether the thumbs were navigable one by one with a keystroke, or whether NVDA was able to focus on the thumbnail panel as a whole and read the scene / caption names continuously in a series.  Unfortunately, using a PC with Windows 7 Pro and the latest versions of both Chrome and Firefox, I am unable to get the same result.  I would be grateful for any feedback from this forum which indicates what, if anything can be accessed and read in this project by NVDA. 

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Hosler

Photography Options LLC

1129 Turkey Ridge Way

Seymour, TN 37865

865-774-9755

www.photographyoptions.com

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Re: Application Test for Virtual Tour

Joseph Lee

Hi Greg and others,

Yes, I do remember that discussion a few days ago.

I’d like to request that one or more web accessibility specialists here answer Greg’s questions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Greg Hosler [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 1:36 AM
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Subject: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour

 

Greetings,

 

After making initial inquiries at the NVDA end users forum regarding accessibility problems that I am having with this type of project:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour.html, I received feedback from one individual who stated the when viewed in Chrome, NVDA would announce the names / captions of scene thumbnails contained in a thumbnail panel on the page.  It was unclear from this feedback whether the thumbs were navigable one by one with a keystroke, or whether NVDA was able to focus on the thumbnail panel as a whole and read the scene / caption names continuously in a series.  Unfortunately, using a PC with Windows 7 Pro and the latest versions of both Chrome and Firefox, I am unable to get the same result.  I would be grateful for any feedback from this forum which indicates what, if anything can be accessed and read in this project by NVDA. 

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Hosler

Photography Options LLC

1129 Turkey Ridge Way

Seymour, TN 37865

865-774-9755

www.photographyoptions.com

poptions

 


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Re: Application Test for Virtual Tour

John Isige
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Well, I'm not a web accessibility specialist, but here's what I get in
Firefox 50.10, Win. 10 64-bit, NVDA 2016.4. You can't tab through
things, the arrow keys seem to be the best bet. I get one "clickable" on
the title, then five "clickables" in a row, then each thing gets two
"clickables" before it. So for example, if I start arrowing down, I hear
"clickable clickable Laurel River Dam Approach", (I press down arrow, I
hear), "clickable clickable Sheltowee Trace Trailhead", and so on. That
happens all the way until I get to "Sheltowee Trace Crossing", where I
sometimes hear two or sometimes four clickables. After that, there are
eighteen things where you just hear varying amounts of "clickable", from
one to three per line, i.e. as you down arrow through them.

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Greg Hosler
John Thank You! I feel like progress is being made.  Using Windows 7 Pro on
64 bit System and Firefox 50.10 and the latest version of NVDA, I get a
confusing variety of performances.  In one instance, NVDA read through the
entire thumbnail panel with 2 clickables separating the announcement of each
scene caption.  The landing page for this tour is an interactive map of the
lake with two clickable pushpins.  One is to show images from around the
dam, the other jumps to imagery from a picnic area about a mile from the
dam.  Generally, without using NVDA + Space Bar to bring focus to the map
page, and then using the Page Up / Page Down keys, I get different bunches
of spoken "clickables" before landing on slide that speaks "picnic area."
When I restart the page though, and use NVDA + Space Bar; and then use the
arrow keys the tour actually performs as it is designed....albeit silently
on NVDA.  

The images here are panoramas that are like photo bubbles where the viewer
is inside and can push the bubble around in any direction to see in that
direction.  Using NVDA + Space Bar, the Page Up / Page Down Keys move the
thumb focus one forward and one back.....just like it is supposed to work
(but without speaking the caption.)  Moreover, the Up, Down, Left Right
arrows push the panorama around in the selected direction.  I need to figure
out a way for NVDA to at least speak the captions when gaining this focus
using NVDA + Space Bar.

There is a toolbar that runs horizontally below the thumbnail panel that has
buttons for pushing the panos left, right, up and down.  There are also
buttons for collapsing the thumbnail panel, and for launching an inset
iframe Google Map utility showing the lake from a Google Satellite view.  I
wonder if some of the clickables are related to these buttons....and if
there might be some kind of hot key to alternate focus to and away from
these buttons (with NVDA speaking the name of the buttons - or, would a
better strategy be to ignore the buttons completely?  

I intend to create narration files for these tours that will give a
Wikipedia type overview description of the project.  I was advised by an end
user on the other forum to make this work on a separate page by clicking
into it with a button....so that the narration doesn't compete with NVDA
speaking.  Also,
http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/chattstate/tour.html is a campus
virtual tour that adds a new layer of complexity by adding a youtube iframe
which seems to seize the focus in NVDA. If you have time to look at this, I
would be interested in seeing if there is a development strategy I could use
to migrate focus back and forth between the Youtube video and the thumbnail
panel with captions.  Any feedback I can get on this will be greatly
appreciated.  Thank you again for responding.

Best regards, Greg


Greg Hosler
Photography Options LLC
1129 Turkey Ridge Way
Seymour, TN 37865
865-774-9755
www.photographyoptions.com


-----Original Message-----
From: John Isige [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:58 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour

Well, I'm not a web accessibility specialist, but here's what I get in
Firefox 50.10, Win. 10 64-bit, NVDA 2016.4. You can't tab through things,
the arrow keys seem to be the best bet. I get one "clickable" on the title,
then five "clickables" in a row, then each thing gets two "clickables"
before it. So for example, if I start arrowing down, I hear "clickable
clickable Laurel River Dam Approach", (I press down arrow, I hear),
"clickable clickable Sheltowee Trace Trailhead", and so on. That happens all
the way until I get to "Sheltowee Trace Crossing", where I sometimes hear
two or sometimes four clickables. After that, there are eighteen things
where you just hear varying amounts of "clickable", from one to three per
line, i.e. as you down arrow through them.

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Re: Application Test for Virtual Tour

Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs
This sort of problem often eems to aflict sites run by museums etc. I've yet
to see any kind of common way I'd like to be able to use it.
 In my humble oppinion, creating naration which speaks seperately is going
to cause issues of not hearing the screenreader itself, though with later
windows versions ducking can help of course.


I just feel that accessability experts are sometimes attempting to make a
visual web site which only will work visually, into an audio one. audio is
much narrower band than vision so it is going to be quite clunky to use it
and get any kind of helpful info from it. Far beter to have a downloadable
file with links that can in effect be browsed offline using the screenreade
to read the descriptions, much like we used to have in text adventure games,
you know go east
 You are in a landscape to the left of where you just were on top of the
hill youwere at the bottom of, you are now quite tired aas it was s stiff
climb, what do you want ot do next?
 grin.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Hosler" <[hidden email]>
To: "'NVDA screen reader development'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour


> John Thank You! I feel like progress is being made.  Using Windows 7 Pro
> on
> 64 bit System and Firefox 50.10 and the latest version of NVDA, I get a
> confusing variety of performances.  In one instance, NVDA read through the
> entire thumbnail panel with 2 clickables separating the announcement of
> each
> scene caption.  The landing page for this tour is an interactive map of
> the
> lake with two clickable pushpins.  One is to show images from around the
> dam, the other jumps to imagery from a picnic area about a mile from the
> dam.  Generally, without using NVDA + Space Bar to bring focus to the map
> page, and then using the Page Up / Page Down keys, I get different bunches
> of spoken "clickables" before landing on slide that speaks "picnic area."
> When I restart the page though, and use NVDA + Space Bar; and then use the
> arrow keys the tour actually performs as it is designed....albeit silently
> on NVDA.
>
> The images here are panoramas that are like photo bubbles where the viewer
> is inside and can push the bubble around in any direction to see in that
> direction.  Using NVDA + Space Bar, the Page Up / Page Down Keys move the
> thumb focus one forward and one back.....just like it is supposed to work
> (but without speaking the caption.)  Moreover, the Up, Down, Left Right
> arrows push the panorama around in the selected direction.  I need to
> figure
> out a way for NVDA to at least speak the captions when gaining this focus
> using NVDA + Space Bar.
>
> There is a toolbar that runs horizontally below the thumbnail panel that
> has
> buttons for pushing the panos left, right, up and down.  There are also
> buttons for collapsing the thumbnail panel, and for launching an inset
> iframe Google Map utility showing the lake from a Google Satellite view.
> I
> wonder if some of the clickables are related to these buttons....and if
> there might be some kind of hot key to alternate focus to and away from
> these buttons (with NVDA speaking the name of the buttons - or, would a
> better strategy be to ignore the buttons completely?
>
> I intend to create narration files for these tours that will give a
> Wikipedia type overview description of the project.  I was advised by an
> end
> user on the other forum to make this work on a separate page by clicking
> into it with a button....so that the narration doesn't compete with NVDA
> speaking.  Also,
> http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/chattstate/tour.html is a campus
> virtual tour that adds a new layer of complexity by adding a youtube
> iframe
> which seems to seize the focus in NVDA. If you have time to look at this,
> I
> would be interested in seeing if there is a development strategy I could
> use
> to migrate focus back and forth between the Youtube video and the
> thumbnail
> panel with captions.  Any feedback I can get on this will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you again for responding.
>
> Best regards, Greg
>
>
> Greg Hosler
> Photography Options LLC
> 1129 Turkey Ridge Way
> Seymour, TN 37865
> 865-774-9755
> www.photographyoptions.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Isige [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:58 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour
>
> Well, I'm not a web accessibility specialist, but here's what I get in
> Firefox 50.10, Win. 10 64-bit, NVDA 2016.4. You can't tab through things,
> the arrow keys seem to be the best bet. I get one "clickable" on the
> title,
> then five "clickables" in a row, then each thing gets two "clickables"
> before it. So for example, if I start arrowing down, I hear "clickable
> clickable Laurel River Dam Approach", (I press down arrow, I hear),
> "clickable clickable Sheltowee Trace Trailhead", and so on. That happens
> all
> the way until I get to "Sheltowee Trace Crossing", where I sometimes hear
> two or sometimes four clickables. After that, there are eighteen things
> where you just hear varying amounts of "clickable", from one to three per
> line, i.e. as you down arrow through them.
>
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Re: Application Test for Virtual Tour

Greg Hosler
Thank you Brian.  I need to say straight off that the people that use screen
readers like NVDA to view web content seem to be far more forgiving, and may
I add, practical, than the administrators and bureaucrats that set website
accessibility policies here in the states.....and those policies are all
different.  

Also, I meant to convey earlier that any narration file that I would create
would be activated by clicking a button which launches an associated site
which has no content other than the narration audio.  This narration could
also include announced custom "hot key" combinations for accessing the
content on the main page.  But getting back to your musings about how this
type of project could be useful.  My biggest customer so far is the US Army
Corps of Engineers which, believe it or not, is the biggest provider and
operator of outdoor recreation facilities in the states.  They create lakes
for flood control and hydroelectric power, and then they build recreation
areas around the lakes which are operated by their largely civilian staffs
of rangers, foresters, hydrologists, etc.  They are very focused on
providing accessible facilities for camping, fishing, hiking and even
launching boats and I try to use the term accessible in my thumbnail
descriptions to note this.  Sometimes, my projects have as many as 200
separate images....mostly panoramic, but some still.  It will be a daunting
task for me to create the types of descriptions that you recommend for
"offline reading" for every single scene, but it might be more possible and
useful to create those types of descriptions for facilities in these places
that are accessible. Like describing where the accessible fishing pier is
located in relation to the boat ramp and the boat ramp parking lot. Any
feedback that I can get about what is important to describe regarding
physical accessibility features would be most appreciated.  Thank you for
your valued opinion.

Best regards,

Greg Hosler
Photography Options LLC
1129 Turkey Ridge Way
Seymour, TN 37865
865-774-9755
www.photographyoptions.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Gaff Lineone downstairs [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 8:35 AM
To: NVDA screen reader development
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour

This sort of problem often eems to aflict sites run by museums etc. I've yet
to see any kind of common way I'd like to be able to use it.
 In my humble oppinion, creating naration which speaks seperately is going
to cause issues of not hearing the screenreader itself, though with later
windows versions ducking can help of course.


I just feel that accessability experts are sometimes attempting to make a
visual web site which only will work visually, into an audio one. audio is
much narrower band than vision so it is going to be quite clunky to use it
and get any kind of helpful info from it. Far beter to have a downloadable
file with links that can in effect be browsed offline using the screenreade
to read the descriptions, much like we used to have in text adventure games,
you know go east  You are in a landscape to the left of where you just were
on top of the hill youwere at the bottom of, you are now quite tired aas it
was s stiff climb, what do you want ot do next?
 grin.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Hosler" <[hidden email]>
To: "'NVDA screen reader development'" <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour


> John Thank You! I feel like progress is being made.  Using Windows 7 Pro
> on
> 64 bit System and Firefox 50.10 and the latest version of NVDA, I get a
> confusing variety of performances.  In one instance, NVDA read through the
> entire thumbnail panel with 2 clickables separating the announcement of
> each
> scene caption.  The landing page for this tour is an interactive map of
> the
> lake with two clickable pushpins.  One is to show images from around the
> dam, the other jumps to imagery from a picnic area about a mile from the
> dam.  Generally, without using NVDA + Space Bar to bring focus to the map
> page, and then using the Page Up / Page Down keys, I get different bunches
> of spoken "clickables" before landing on slide that speaks "picnic area."
> When I restart the page though, and use NVDA + Space Bar; and then use the
> arrow keys the tour actually performs as it is designed....albeit silently
> on NVDA.
>
> The images here are panoramas that are like photo bubbles where the viewer
> is inside and can push the bubble around in any direction to see in that
> direction.  Using NVDA + Space Bar, the Page Up / Page Down Keys move the
> thumb focus one forward and one back.....just like it is supposed to work
> (but without speaking the caption.)  Moreover, the Up, Down, Left Right
> arrows push the panorama around in the selected direction.  I need to
> figure
> out a way for NVDA to at least speak the captions when gaining this focus
> using NVDA + Space Bar.
>
> There is a toolbar that runs horizontally below the thumbnail panel that
> has
> buttons for pushing the panos left, right, up and down.  There are also
> buttons for collapsing the thumbnail panel, and for launching an inset
> iframe Google Map utility showing the lake from a Google Satellite view.
> I
> wonder if some of the clickables are related to these buttons....and if
> there might be some kind of hot key to alternate focus to and away from
> these buttons (with NVDA speaking the name of the buttons - or, would a
> better strategy be to ignore the buttons completely?
>
> I intend to create narration files for these tours that will give a
> Wikipedia type overview description of the project.  I was advised by an
> end
> user on the other forum to make this work on a separate page by clicking
> into it with a button....so that the narration doesn't compete with NVDA
> speaking.  Also,
> http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/chattstate/tour.html is a campus
> virtual tour that adds a new layer of complexity by adding a youtube
> iframe
> which seems to seize the focus in NVDA. If you have time to look at this,
> I
> would be interested in seeing if there is a development strategy I could
> use
> to migrate focus back and forth between the Youtube video and the
> thumbnail
> panel with captions.  Any feedback I can get on this will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you again for responding.
>
> Best regards, Greg
>
>
> Greg Hosler
> Photography Options LLC
> 1129 Turkey Ridge Way
> Seymour, TN 37865
> 865-774-9755
> www.photographyoptions.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Isige [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 5:58 PM
> To: NVDA screen reader development
> Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour
>
> Well, I'm not a web accessibility specialist, but here's what I get in
> Firefox 50.10, Win. 10 64-bit, NVDA 2016.4. You can't tab through things,
> the arrow keys seem to be the best bet. I get one "clickable" on the
> title,
> then five "clickables" in a row, then each thing gets two "clickables"
> before it. So for example, if I start arrowing down, I hear "clickable
> clickable Laurel River Dam Approach", (I press down arrow, I hear),
> "clickable clickable Sheltowee Trace Trailhead", and so on. That happens
> all
> the way until I get to "Sheltowee Trace Crossing", where I sometimes hear
> two or sometimes four clickables. After that, there are eighteen things
> where you just hear varying amounts of "clickable", from one to three per
> line, i.e. as you down arrow through them.
>
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Re: Application Test for Virtual Tour

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I tried replying to you directly, but your spam filter blocked my email. <sigh>

When I hit the page with NVDA, I see the captions as one block of text.  They are on different lines, but they don't give no indication that they are for different photos.  I'd suggested using an imagemap, thereby allowing clicking on various places on the image, to allow proper site navigation.  I'd also suggested having a whole section devoted to audio tours, so folks could choose what they wanted to listen to instead of having the audio play automatically upon page loading.  It was a bit more detailed than that, but that's the basic gist of my message that was blocked by the spam filter.

hth.



On 1/7/2017 4:35 AM, Greg Hosler wrote:

Greetings,

 

After making initial inquiries at the NVDA end users forum regarding accessibility problems that I am having with this type of project:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour.html, I received feedback from one individual who stated the when viewed in Chrome, NVDA would announce the names / captions of scene thumbnails contained in a thumbnail panel on the page.  It was unclear from this feedback whether the thumbs were navigable one by one with a keystroke, or whether NVDA was able to focus on the thumbnail panel as a whole and read the scene / caption names continuously in a series.  Unfortunately, using a PC with Windows 7 Pro and the latest versions of both Chrome and Firefox, I am unable to get the same result.  I would be grateful for any feedback from this forum which indicates what, if anything can be accessed and read in this project by NVDA. 

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Hosler

Photography Options LLC

1129 Turkey Ridge Way

Seymour, TN 37865

865-774-9755

www.photographyoptions.com

poptions

 



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Greg Hosler

Travis,

 

I don’t have a spam filter, and since I received your initial private email directly with no problem….and replied to it, I am concerned that you could not reply back.  I am very interested in reading the full text of the feedback you were willing to provide in the blocked message.  I would be grateful if you would forward what was blocked to [hidden email]

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Hosler

Photography Options LLC

1129 Turkey Ridge Way

Seymour, TN 37865

865-774-9755

www.photographyoptions.com

poptions

 

From: Travis Siegel [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 2:24 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour

 

I tried replying to you directly, but your spam filter blocked my email. <sigh>

When I hit the page with NVDA, I see the captions as one block of text.  They are on different lines, but they don't give no indication that they are for different photos.  I'd suggested using an imagemap, thereby allowing clicking on various places on the image, to allow proper site navigation.  I'd also suggested having a whole section devoted to audio tours, so folks could choose what they wanted to listen to instead of having the audio play automatically upon page loading.  It was a bit more detailed than that, but that's the basic gist of my message that was blocked by the spam filter.

hth.

 

 

On 1/7/2017 4:35 AM, Greg Hosler wrote:

Greetings,

 

After making initial inquiries at the NVDA end users forum regarding accessibility problems that I am having with this type of project:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour.html, I received feedback from one individual who stated the when viewed in Chrome, NVDA would announce the names / captions of scene thumbnails contained in a thumbnail panel on the page.  It was unclear from this feedback whether the thumbs were navigable one by one with a keystroke, or whether NVDA was able to focus on the thumbnail panel as a whole and read the scene / caption names continuously in a series.  Unfortunately, using a PC with Windows 7 Pro and the latest versions of both Chrome and Firefox, I am unable to get the same result.  I would be grateful for any feedback from this forum which indicates what, if anything can be accessed and read in this project by NVDA. 

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Hosler

Photography Options LLC

1129 Turkey Ridge Way

Seymour, TN 37865

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Re: Application Test for Virtual Tour

Greg Hosler
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Joseph,

 

When talking to potential customers, I use the term “wayfinding tour” to describe the type of virtual tour project that I do.  It occurs to me that in trying to optimize this type of project for viewing with NVDA, it might be useful to ask about the experience of NVDA end users with Google Maps and Google Street View.  Google Street view uses the same type of panoramic imagery that I specialize in…and Google has done a good job of enabling tab key navigation through various controls like “rotate the view counterclockwise;” “zoom in button;” “interactive map section;” etc.  

 

To what extent do NVDA end users choose to use a wayfinding utility like Google Maps?  And, in using Google Maps, what would NVDA end users consider to be the most useful features?

 

I think that some answers to these questions might help me to prioritize accessibility modifications for my own projects.  Also, If it would be more appropriate to pose these questions at nvda.groups.io, I would be grateful to be notified about that.

 

Thank you in advance and

 

Best regards,

 

Greg Hosler

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From: Joseph Lee [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 11:14 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development'
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour

 

Hi Greg and others,

Yes, I do remember that discussion a few days ago.

I’d like to request that one or more web accessibility specialists here answer Greg’s questions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Greg Hosler [[hidden email]]
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2017 1:36 AM
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Subject: [Nvda-devel] Application Test for Virtual Tour

 

Greetings,

 

After making initial inquiries at the NVDA end users forum regarding accessibility problems that I am having with this type of project:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/laurel/tour.html, I received feedback from one individual who stated the when viewed in Chrome, NVDA would announce the names / captions of scene thumbnails contained in a thumbnail panel on the page.  It was unclear from this feedback whether the thumbs were navigable one by one with a keystroke, or whether NVDA was able to focus on the thumbnail panel as a whole and read the scene / caption names continuously in a series.  Unfortunately, using a PC with Windows 7 Pro and the latest versions of both Chrome and Firefox, I am unable to get the same result.  I would be grateful for any feedback from this forum which indicates what, if anything can be accessed and read in this project by NVDA. 

 

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Greg Hosler

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