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Joseph Lee

Hi all,

 

I’m considering creating a toolkit of modules that many add-on authors might wish to use to extend their add-ons. This may include add-on update facility, event tracking and others. If you think this is something you’d like to incorporate into your add-ons, please let me know, along with functionality you’d like this toolkit to contain.

Cheers,

Joseph


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Using Android Studio with NVDA

Isaac Porat
Hello

As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android
development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA

Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE
accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am
having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The
emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).

Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in
the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the
Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to
bother members of the list with details.

Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for
serious development using NVDA?

Thanks
Isaac


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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

David Hilton
I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?

Enviado do meu iPhone

> Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>
> Hello
>
> As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA
>
> Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).
>
> Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
> Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.
>
> Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?
>
> Thanks
> Isaac
>
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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

Isaac Porat
Hi


Android Studio needs the Java access bridge (JAB) to work.

If you hear NVDA talking when you open Android Studio JAB is enabled.

I noticed that if JAB is enabled in the Windows 'Ease of access'
dialogue it does not necessarily means that JAB is enabled; I think that
each time Java is updated the JAB might be required to be enabled again.
I enabled it using the command line. It could be that disabling it and
then enabling it again in the 'Ease of access' dialogue box in Windows
might do the same thing but as I said if you hear NVDA speaking at least
some of the Android studio components, JAB is enabled.

There are other accessibility settings you need to do as explained here:

https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/accessibility.html#top


I am still in the 'Hello world' demonstration and as per my previous
email, I can run it on my android phone but I cannot read my log output
on the terminal which seems to be inaccessible. Until I solve this
problem I cannot proceed.


Regards

Isaac




On 26/07/2017 17:25, David Hilton wrote:

> I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?
>
> Enviado do meu iPhone
>
>> Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA
>>
>> Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).
>>
>> Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
>> Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.
>>
>> Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Isaac
>>
>>
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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

David Hilton
Thank you, I will look into that.

Enviado do meu iPhone

> Em 28 de jul de 2017, às 04:01, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>
> Hi
>
>
> Android Studio needs the Java access bridge (JAB) to work.
>
> If you hear NVDA talking when you open Android Studio JAB is enabled.
>
> I noticed that if JAB is enabled in the Windows 'Ease of access' dialogue it does not necessarily means that JAB is enabled; I think that each time Java is updated the JAB might be required to be enabled again. I enabled it using the command line. It could be that disabling it and then enabling it again in the 'Ease of access' dialogue box in Windows might do the same thing but as I said if you hear NVDA speaking at least some of the Android studio components, JAB is enabled.
>
> There are other accessibility settings you need to do as explained here:
>
> https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/accessibility.html#top
>
>
> I am still in the 'Hello world' demonstration and as per my previous email, I can run it on my android phone but I cannot read my log output on the terminal which seems to be inaccessible. Until I solve this problem I cannot proceed.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
>
>> On 26/07/2017 17:25, David Hilton wrote:
>> I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>>> Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA
>>>
>>> Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).
>>>
>>> Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
>>> Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.
>>>
>>> Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>>
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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

derek riemer
Install java 32 bit if you have 64 bit, because oracle are stupid and don't ship the 32 bit jab with 64 bit java.

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, David Hilton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you, I will look into that.

Enviado do meu iPhone

> Em 28 de jul de 2017, às 04:01, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>
> Hi
>
>
> Android Studio needs the Java access bridge (JAB) to work.
>
> If you hear NVDA talking when you open Android Studio JAB is enabled.
>
> I noticed that if JAB is enabled in the Windows 'Ease of access' dialogue it does not necessarily means that JAB is enabled; I think that each time Java is updated the JAB might be required to be enabled again. I enabled it using the command line. It could be that disabling it and then enabling it again in the 'Ease of access' dialogue box in Windows might do the same thing but as I said if you hear NVDA speaking at least some of the Android studio components, JAB is enabled.
>
> There are other accessibility settings you need to do as explained here:
>
> https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/accessibility.html#top
>
>
> I am still in the 'Hello world' demonstration and as per my previous email, I can run it on my android phone but I cannot read my log output on the terminal which seems to be inaccessible. Until I solve this problem I cannot proceed.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
>
>> On 26/07/2017 17:25, David Hilton wrote:
>> I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>>> Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA
>>>
>>> Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).
>>>
>>> Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
>>> Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.
>>>
>>> Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>>
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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

Juan Hernandez-2

Yes, make sure and install both java jdk 32 and 64.  Also, in the bin directory for each, is a executable, jabswitch.exe, make sure to type jabswitch -enable for both java JDKs so the java access bridge will enable for both java environments.

 

And make sure you follow the accessibility config changes that google says in their access docs for android studio.

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

 

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From: Derek Riemer [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:54 AM
To: NVDA screen reader development <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Using Android Studio with NVDA

 

Install java 32 bit if you have 64 bit, because oracle are stupid and don't ship the 32 bit jab with 64 bit java.

 

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, David Hilton <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thank you, I will look into that.

Enviado do meu iPhone


> Em 28 de jul de 2017, às 04:01, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>
> Hi
>
>
> Android Studio needs the Java access bridge (JAB) to work.
>
> If you hear NVDA talking when you open Android Studio JAB is enabled.
>
> I noticed that if JAB is enabled in the Windows 'Ease of access' dialogue it does not necessarily means that JAB is enabled; I think that each time Java is updated the JAB might be required to be enabled again. I enabled it using the command line. It could be that disabling it and then enabling it again in the 'Ease of access' dialogue box in Windows might do the same thing but as I said if you hear NVDA speaking at least some of the Android studio components, JAB is enabled.
>
> There are other accessibility settings you need to do as explained here:
>
> https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/accessibility.html#top
>
>
> I am still in the 'Hello world' demonstration and as per my previous email, I can run it on my android phone but I cannot read my log output on the terminal which seems to be inaccessible. Until I solve this problem I cannot proceed.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Isaac
>
>
>
>
>> On 26/07/2017 17:25, David Hilton wrote:
>> I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?
>>
>> Enviado do meu iPhone
>>
>>> Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> escreveu:
>>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA
>>>
>>> Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).
>>>
>>> Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
>>> Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.
>>>
>>> Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Isaac
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

Isaac Porat

Hello Juan


Thanks for your response.

Going back to my original question on this thread, I am unable to read the terminal (Alt + F12 I think). Does it work for you? Without the terminal how do you get runtime errors, also I understand that log messages appear their as well (although these I suppose can be configured on the LogCat an additional complication).

If the terminal is not accessible, what alternative do you use?


I did installed and configured the JAB for 32 bits only and this seems to do the job, I would suggest that installing the 64 bits would make little difference to the terminal but I might be wrong.


Thanks

Isaac



On 31/07/2017 22:33, Juan Hernandez wrote:
Yes, make sure and install both java jdk 32 and 64.  Also, in the bin directory for each, is a executable, jabswitch.exe, make sure to type jabswitch -enable for both java JDKs so the java access bridge will enable for both java environments.

 

And make sure you follow the accessibility config changes that google says in their access docs for android studio.

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

 

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From: Derek Riemer [[hidden email]] 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:54 AM
To: NVDA screen reader development [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Using Android Studio with NVDA

 

Install java 32 bit if you have 64 bit, because oracle are stupid and don't ship the 32 bit jab with 64 bit java.

 

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, David Hilton <[hidden email] [hidden email] > wrote:

Thank you, I will look into that.

Enviado do meu iPhone


Em 28 de jul de 2017, às 04:01, Isaac Porat <[hidden email] [hidden email] > escreveu:

Hi


Android Studio needs the Java access bridge (JAB) to work.

If you hear NVDA talking when you open Android Studio JAB is enabled.

I noticed that if JAB is enabled in the Windows 'Ease of access' dialogue it does not necessarily means that JAB is enabled; I think that each time Java is updated the JAB might be required to be enabled again. I enabled it using the command line. It could be that disabling it and then enabling it again in the 'Ease of access' dialogue box in Windows might do the same thing but as I said if you hear NVDA speaking at least some of the Android studio components, JAB is enabled.

There are other accessibility settings you need to do as explained here:

https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/accessibility.html#top


I am still in the 'Hello world' demonstration and as per my previous email, I can run it on my android phone but I cannot read my log output on the terminal which seems to be inaccessible. Until I solve this problem I cannot proceed.


Regards

Isaac




On 26/07/2017 17:25, David Hilton wrote:
I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?

Enviado do meu iPhone

Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email] [hidden email] > escreveu:

Hello

As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA

Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).

Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.

Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?

Thanks
Isaac


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Re: Using Android Studio with NVDA

derek riemer
How did you "install this" It should install itself when you install java.

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:45 AM, Isaac Porat <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hello Juan


Thanks for your response.

Going back to my original question on this thread, I am unable to read the terminal (Alt + F12 I think). Does it work for you? Without the terminal how do you get runtime errors, also I understand that log messages appear their as well (although these I suppose can be configured on the LogCat an additional complication).

If the terminal is not accessible, what alternative do you use?


I did installed and configured the JAB for 32 bits only and this seems to do the job, I would suggest that installing the 64 bits would make little difference to the terminal but I might be wrong.


Thanks

Isaac



On 31/07/2017 22:33, Juan Hernandez wrote:
Yes, make sure and install both java jdk 32 and 64.  Also, in the bin directory for each, is a executable, jabswitch.exe, make sure to type jabswitch -enable for both java JDKs so the java access bridge will enable for both java environments.

 

And make sure you follow the accessibility config changes that google says in their access docs for android studio.

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

 

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From: Derek Riemer [[hidden email]] 
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 5:54 AM
To: NVDA screen reader development [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] Using Android Studio with NVDA

 

Install java 32 bit if you have 64 bit, because oracle are stupid and don't ship the 32 bit jab with 64 bit java.

 

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:40 PM, David Hilton <[hidden email] [hidden email] > wrote:

Thank you, I will look into that.

Enviado do meu iPhone


Em 28 de jul de 2017, às 04:01, Isaac Porat <[hidden email] [hidden email] > escreveu:

Hi


Android Studio needs the Java access bridge (JAB) to work.

If you hear NVDA talking when you open Android Studio JAB is enabled.

I noticed that if JAB is enabled in the Windows 'Ease of access' dialogue it does not necessarily means that JAB is enabled; I think that each time Java is updated the JAB might be required to be enabled again. I enabled it using the command line. It could be that disabling it and then enabling it again in the 'Ease of access' dialogue box in Windows might do the same thing but as I said if you hear NVDA speaking at least some of the Android studio components, JAB is enabled.

There are other accessibility settings you need to do as explained here:

https://developer.android.com/studio/intro/accessibility.html#top


I am still in the 'Hello world' demonstration and as per my previous email, I can run it on my android phone but I cannot read my log output on the terminal which seems to be inaccessible. Until I solve this problem I cannot proceed.


Regards

Isaac




On 26/07/2017 17:25, David Hilton wrote:
I am having the same difficulty, however, I cannot get past the creation wizard to create a new android environment. Also, when you say you were using the android device, what do you mean? What enabling to Java access bridge give me more accessibility to android studio?

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Em 25 de jul de 2017, às 08:46, Isaac Porat <[hidden email] [hidden email] > escreveu:

Hello

As Eclipse which I am familiar with is not available anymore for Android development I am trying to learn to use Android Studio with NVDA

Having configured the Java access bridge and following the IDE accessibility page many of the elements seems to be accessible but I am having difficulties in following the usual development cycle (The emulator is not accessible so I work with the Android device).

Specifically, I am unable to read my test log output on the LogCat in the monitor and while it seems to appear by a sighted person on the Terminal (Alt + F12) it does not seem to be accessible.
Can somebody help, I am happy to make a contact off list so as not to bother members of the list with details.

Also a general question: Are people manage to use Android Studio for serious development using NVDA?

Thanks
Isaac


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