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A question about Github

Brian's Mail list account BY
Hi, why is it that if you subscribe to the issues email list, comments you
make to the ticket, are not sent to you, but of course other peoples are.
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Re: A question about Github

James Scholes
Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:
> Hi, why is it that if you subscribe to the issues email list, comments you
> make to the ticket, are not sent to you, but of course other peoples are.

Because you don't need to receive copies of your own comments, given
that you wrote them.

This is probably a fundamental misunderstanding about how the email
interface to GitHub works and what it is intended for.  You don't
subscribe to an email list, you subscribe to a particular issue or
repository and receive email notifications when something changes, as
you would with many other online services e.g. Twitter, Facebook.

GitHub then offer the ability to respond directly via email as a
convenience.  But peoples' belief that this constitutes a mailing list
leads to all kinds of mess, for example people including their email
signatures and, worse, the original message from GitHub that they're
replying to.

So this is my polite request to try and remember that some users will
read GitHub issue comments via the website.  An easy way to make this
work well for everyone is to write your response, and then press
Ctrl+Shift+End before you actually send it.  That way, whether someone
is reviewing a ticket via email or the web, they don't have to unduely
wade through the detritus that your email program sees fit to include on
every message.
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Re: A question about Github

Brian's Mail list account BY
Well I'm afraid I never have used twitter or facebook so would have no idea.
I personally feel your mail here is a little rude.
 If many people like myself do believe it works like a list then its a list.
If it quacks like a duck. Its not our fault but the fault of the designers
of the system.

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From: "James Scholes" <[hidden email]>
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Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2017 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] A question about Github


> Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:
>> Hi, why is it that if you subscribe to the issues email list, comments
>> you
>> make to the ticket, are not sent to you, but of course other peoples are.
>
> Because you don't need to receive copies of your own comments, given
> that you wrote them.
>
> This is probably a fundamental misunderstanding about how the email
> interface to GitHub works and what it is intended for.  You don't
> subscribe to an email list, you subscribe to a particular issue or
> repository and receive email notifications when something changes, as
> you would with many other online services e.g. Twitter, Facebook.
>
> GitHub then offer the ability to respond directly via email as a
> convenience.  But peoples' belief that this constitutes a mailing list
> leads to all kinds of mess, for example people including their email
> signatures and, worse, the original message from GitHub that they're
> replying to.
>
> So this is my polite request to try and remember that some users will
> read GitHub issue comments via the website.  An easy way to make this
> work well for everyone is to write your response, and then press
> Ctrl+Shift+End before you actually send it.  That way, whether someone
> is reviewing a ticket via email or the web, they don't have to unduely
> wade through the detritus that your email program sees fit to include on
> every message.
> --
> James Scholes
> http://twitter.com/JamesScholes
>
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Re: A question about Github

Brian's Mail list account BY
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PS using as I do an email client. Your suggestion on removing other stuff,
may or may not work, depending on how the editor works.

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Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] A question about Github


> Brian's Mail list account BY wrote:
>> Hi, why is it that if you subscribe to the issues email list, comments
>> you
>> make to the ticket, are not sent to you, but of course other peoples are.
>
> Because you don't need to receive copies of your own comments, given
> that you wrote them.
>
> This is probably a fundamental misunderstanding about how the email
> interface to GitHub works and what it is intended for.  You don't
> subscribe to an email list, you subscribe to a particular issue or
> repository and receive email notifications when something changes, as
> you would with many other online services e.g. Twitter, Facebook.
>
> GitHub then offer the ability to respond directly via email as a
> convenience.  But peoples' belief that this constitutes a mailing list
> leads to all kinds of mess, for example people including their email
> signatures and, worse, the original message from GitHub that they're
> replying to.
>
> So this is my polite request to try and remember that some users will
> read GitHub issue comments via the website.  An easy way to make this
> work well for everyone is to write your response, and then press
> Ctrl+Shift+End before you actually send it.  That way, whether someone
> is reviewing a ticket via email or the web, they don't have to unduely
> wade through the detritus that your email program sees fit to include on
> every message.
> --
> James Scholes
> http://twitter.com/JamesScholes
>
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Re: A question about Github

James Scholes
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I wasn't intending to be rude in any way, apologies if that's how I came
across.  I will, however, admit to being somewhat frustrated at the
number of NVDA tickets which are polluted with email signatures,
unnecessarily quoted text and original message headers.  Ctrl+Shift+End
works in any standard Windows edit field and many non-standard ones
besides, including the one in Outlook Express.
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Re: A question about Github

Martina Letochová
Yes, or also before starting a new message ctrl+a, then del, works also
everywhere.
Martina


On 1/4/2017 15:40, James Scholes wrote:
> I wasn't intending to be rude in any way, apologies if that's how I came
> across.  I will, however, admit to being somewhat frustrated at the
> number of NVDA tickets which are polluted with email signatures,
> unnecessarily quoted text and original message headers.  Ctrl+Shift+End
> works in any standard Windows edit field and many non-standard ones
> besides, including the one in Outlook Express.
>

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Re: A question about Github

Doug Lee
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For what it's worth, I thought the post requesting signature and quote removal was neither rude nor unreasonable, though I admit I would not have thought of the issue because I haven't really used Git or GitHub. I have seen
other bug tracking systems use this email-reply approach though, and I like the convenience of it.

On mailing lists, I prefer people remove signature copies but leave in reply history. On bug trackers, it makes most sense to remove both. Either way though, editing out repeating signature blocks, mailing list advertising,
etc., is just a good idea - and one that even I remember to do sometimes lol.

On Sat, Apr 01, 2017 at 02:40:06PM +0100, James Scholes wrote:
I wasn't intending to be rude in any way, apologies if that's how I came
across.  I will, however, admit to being somewhat frustrated at the
number of NVDA tickets which are polluted with email signatures,
unnecessarily quoted text and original message headers.  Ctrl+Shift+End
works in any standard Windows edit field and many non-standard ones
besides, including the one in Outlook Express.
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Re: A question about Github

Noelia
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Hi, I will consider this from now.
I think you aren't rude: sometimes we aren't concernet on mantaining a
clean way to act in Internet, perhaps since in real life it's not
welcome to be dirty. But sometimes on mailing lists (not in this one,
I'm thinking about other ones), people says whatever think in any way.
Thanks for your comment.

El 01/04/2017 a las 15:40, James Scholes escribió:
> I wasn't intending to be rude in any way, apologies if that's how I came
> across.  I will, however, admit to being somewhat frustrated at the
> number of NVDA tickets which are polluted with email signatures,
> unnecessarily quoted text and original message headers.  Ctrl+Shift+End
> works in any standard Windows edit field and many non-standard ones
> besides, including the one in Outlook Express.
>

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